Player Profile: Amar’e Stoudemire

PLAYER: Amar’e Stoudemire

CONTRACT: 2 years, $45,090,881 (!!!) remaining (2013-14: $21,679,893, 2014-15: $23,410,988)

ACQUISITION DETAILS: Stoudemire was acquired in a sign-and-trade with the Phoenix Suns in the summer of 2010, whereupon the Knicks inked the power forward to a 5 year, $99.7M deal. The Suns got a conditional second round pick and a $16.5M trade exemption.

WHAT TO EXPECT OFFENSIVELY: Any conversation about Amar’e Stoudemire starts and ends with his recurring inability to stay healthy. Once the centerpiece of a franchise reborn, his fall from grace has been as depressing for Knicks fans as it has been vexing for the Knicks’ management. Amar’e played in just 29 regular season games last season, capped off by a brief and uneventful cameo in the playoffs versus Indiana. Though last season was ultimately a lost one, Stoudemire was actually quite good when he did suit up, mostly coming off the bench in a reduced role (just 23.5 minutes per game). And, amazingly, Stat’s abbreviated season was actually one of the more efficient of his career. His .637 TS% was his highest since 2007, and he recorded a 22.1 PER and scored 21.8 points per 36 minutes played. Assuming Amar’e is healthy (Congress finishing the year with an approval rating in the teens seems a better bet), fans should expect continued excellence on the offensive end of the floor.

Though it was a limited sample size last season, Stoudemire not only embraced his new role as a 7th man, but he also re-worked his game to create more synergy with his star teammates, Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler. Pre-Chandler, Anthony and Stoudemire demonstrated that they can work well offensively, primarily because there was a defined role for each of them. Anthony worked from the high/mid-post in isolation (and from the perimeter as a secondary ball handler/spot up shooter at times), while Stoudemire was the dominant roll man in pick-and-roll. The problem was that this alignment led to the Knicks giving up more points than they were scoring. (Ironically, the 2010 Knicks scored 110.7 points-per-100-possessions with those two on the floor together, while giving up 110.9.)

So to address their defensive ineptitude, Chandler was signed as a free agent to provide the Knicks with a much needed defensive presence. But in D’Antoni’s offense (now adopted and modified by Woodson), the center plays the primary roll man. Predictably, Chandler became a monster in the pick-and-roll (he led the NBA in FG%). With ‘Melo Anthony firmly entrenched in the mid-post area, Stoudemire’s traditional stomping grounds were now occupied and he badly struggled to fit within the framework of the offense. The trickledown effect was clear, and the 2011-12 Knick lineups featuring Anthony, Stoudemire and Chandler scored a dismal 99.1 points-per-100-possessions.

Locked into all three players from a salary cap perspective, the Knicks had but two options to alleviate the offensive logjam: Either Stoudemire would have to be marginalized or Stoudemire was going to have to seriously adjust his game. Both things actually happened. The marginalization came as a result of Stoudemire’s brittle knees. The adjustment, however, was an important one. Like many of his NBA brethren before him, in the summer of 2012, Amar’e developed a quasi low-post game by soliciting the tutelage of the legendary Hakeem Olajuwon.  Those new skills served him well in limited action last season, allowing Amar’e to operate efficiently in the low post. Again, sample size, but for the most part, Stoudemire no longer got in Anthony’s way on the perimeter, nor was he clogging the lane as Ray Felton worked his pick-and-roll magic with Chandler. As a result, the Knicks’ “Big 3″ was dynamic on the offensive end when playing together (222 minutes), and the Knicks scored a whopping 115.5 points-per-100-possessions when deploying all three players.

If healthy this season, Stoudemire is likely to once again come off the bench. (Hi, Bargs!) Amar’e will be on a minutes-limit and probably won’t play on back-to-backs in an attempt by the team to keep him upright through the NBA’s grueling 82 game slate. New York’s offense was very good with Stoudemire parked in the low block on both the left and right sides of the floor, in large part due to the fact that he was very good in those spots (primarily the left block). He doesn’t have a great back to the basket game, rather he prefers to face up his man and use his size and athleticism create a good look for himself. Synergy sports had him scoring 0.92 points-per-possession on plays that ended with him posting up. Posting up has proven to be a largely inefficient practice in NBA offenses because they often result in contested shots a few feet away from the basket. Stoudemire, however, defied conventional statistical wisdom in those situations, mostly because he was continually able to get to the rim (200 of his 267 shots attempted came in the restricted area). Generally, a player of Stoudemire’s skill and athleticism becomes a major asset to a team if that player is able to shoot 75% of his baskets at the rim. In Stat’s case, that’s exactly what happened last season for the Knicks. Amar’e also seemed to improve his mid-range game, shooting just 37.9% from 16-24 feet in 2011-12, but hitting at a 42.3% clip on shots taken from that area in 2012-13 (only 24 attempts, though).

In terms of rebounding, Stoudemire was also improved last year. He grabbed 10% of all available rebounds, his highest mark since 2006 (though his newly-found positioning in the low post probably impacted this). Stat also drew more fouls-per-36 minutes than he did in his previous season, making 80% from the line. Ultimately, Stoudemire, if healthy (I know, I know),was a very efficient offensive player last year, and there is no reason to doubt that the Knicks should get that same level of production from their flawed power forward this season.

WHAT TO EXPECT DEFENSIVELY: Defense and rebounding have never been strong suits for Stoudemire, and obviously a bad back and bad knees aren’t going to help matters. That said, there is this misguided belief among fans that defense is all about effort. “If Stoudemire just tried harder on defense, then he’d be good at it!” But that is not entirely true, Folks. There are certain players who simply do not have good instincts on the defensive end of the floor. Amar’e Stoudemire is one of those guys. To his credit, he has tried to be good at defense. Sometimes, you can actually see Amar’e try to figure out the correct spot to be when defending the pick-and-roll. Unfortunately, his man has usually blown by him already, leaving Stoudemire with an incredulous where-the-hell-did-the-guy-come-from look on his face.

On help-defense, Stoudemire is not much better. Sure, he’s shown flashes in the past, where he’s rotated correctly and played some beautiful defense, but unfortunately for the Knicks, those occasions have been few and far between. Again, it comes down to his lack of defensive instinct. When Amar’e is on the floor, he needs a Tyson or Kenyon type to cover his backside defensively. Playing him at center with a power forward like Bargnani might be lethal on offense to New York’s opponents, but such an alignment would surely be an absolute train-wreck on the defensive end. (For what it’s worth, had the ancient Rasheed Wallace been able to play alongside Stoudemire last season, the former’s floor spacing ability and defensive prowess would have been ideal as compliment to the latter’s game.)

Despite his size and quickness, Stoudemire has always been a below-average defensive rebounder. Sometimes it’s his effort, but his lack of instinct also plays a role here. Amar’e boxes his man out when it’s easy to do so, but he’s susceptible to give up offensive boards to players crashing from the perimeter. Unlike a Kevin Love, Stoudemire doesn’t have a feel for when an opponent not standing directly behind him needs boxing out. His defensive rebound rate last season was just 15.1%, a career low. (Surprisingly, the Knicks were a very good defensive rebounding team when Stat was on the floor, though. They grabbed 77.5% of all available rebounds with him on the floor as opposed to 74.2% with him off.)

Those who derided the Stoudemire acquisition have always pointed to the fact that he is a porous defensive player and marginal rebounder, especially given his price tag. Unfortunately, those criticisms were well-founded then and remain true now. Now older and still as injury prone, it is probably safe to say those warts will only grow larger.

UNREASONABLY OPTIMISTIC SEASON PROJECTION: 50 games played (tee-hee), 22.5 PPG, 8 RPG, 1.2 APG, 0.8 SPG (all per-36-min) 56.5 FG% .620 TS%

  • jtru001

    yoooo

  • Gate-7-

    wait till the masses trickle over

  • GottaKeepItReal

    this pic makn Stat look like a 20-10 beast

    • jtru001

      i know right lmao

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    stat is still a boss IMO

    forever will be grateful

    • jtru001

      a boss of Rehab lmao

  • jtru001

    im off to lunch gets….gotta get some taco bell in so i can get the shits later

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    PC3 @SwHTown20
    @espnnba @tysonchandler Is The only real #Leader on the @nyKnicks something you cant teach!!!! #NBARank

    LMA0

    • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

      lmaooo jokes

  • Ericknicks

    Taco bell is slamming lol

    • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

      That ish is nasty lol

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        werd

  • Ericknicks

    Jr still shooting bricks at open training camp on MSG lol

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      u watchin that
      ?

      • Ericknicks

        Yeah I’m watching it

  • Ericknicks

    Anybody here

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    Corey Maggette has been waived by the San Antonio Spurs.

    Maggette previously said that he planned on retiring if the Spurs decided not to keep him on their regular season roster.

    Damn maggette can still be solid.

    • Ericknicks

      How old is he lol

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        only 33

        • Ericknicks

          Not bad

  • Ericknicks

    Poet you don’t think Steven Jackson can help

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      yea man he can help any team, but i dont think we need him right now.
      we have enough crazy ppl lol
      we already have metta. and i think maggette would be a better fit for us.

  • Boberto

    Player Profile : Bum

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      fxck up.

  • jtru001

    yoooooo

    • Boberto

      hi

      • jtru001

        what up….you gonna post a pic of that new tatt???

        • Knicks_11ThePoet

          hes a girl he wont do that

          • jtru001

            lmaooo a little malu on malu crime going on….

  • jtru001

    i think stat if he can stay on the court and smi healthy should be pretty efficient off the bench for us….dude can ball when healthy that is for sure….his D however is suspect

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      lol yo how he gonna score 22 pts?? i doubt that happening.

      but would like to see that happenin

      • jtru001

        that is all per 36 min stats…i do think 10-15 pts on 5-8 boards can be resonable

  • jtru001

    yo poet maggette got released??? didnt he used to ball in PHX w/ stat?

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      yea man the other day he was like ” ill prob retire if spurs waive me”

      idk if he used to ball there tho. but he would be a perfect fit for us

      • jtru001

        he got injury issues tho…

  • jtru001

    lmao Greg Hardy said he would dominate LBJ on 1on1 ball lmaoo he said he would win 11-9

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      isnt that dude like 300 pounds

      • jtru001

        close to it he said he got mad hops and can handle…he does run a 4.56 40 so he light on the feet…not sure he could beat him but i like his swag..

        • Knicks_11ThePoet

          damn thats a freak athlete just like bron

  • Gate-7-

    I would take Zoran dragic as back-up PG. His stroke is just as nice as his brother and has decent creativity he wouldnt have cost us much of anything given he has a NBA release clause.

    Cant be worse than what we’ve got/ will get from Udrih

    • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

      Lmao, I aint even Goran had a brother that played ball. Goran is nasty though

      • Gate-7-

        lol yeah zoran and Goran…..

        Goran is nasty… his brother got some skill too

  • Ericknicks

    Yo

  • Ericknicks

    He nice suns back up point guard

  • Ericknicks

    Metta was bustin in practice today onntv

  • Ericknicks

    Damn why y’all on mute in here

  • Back The Money Truck up….

    Yooooooooo…………….

    • Ericknicks

      Wat up

      • Back The Money Truck up….

        Chilling….

  • Boberto

    Malu on Malu crime lmao

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    They aint gone sign Zoran though, so that’s out the window lol

    • Gate-7-

      Of course….thats obvious…. Im just saying there are nice dudes out there…… and we continue to fish from undrafted bums and washed up players who NEVER did anything of notice in the NBA

  • Boberto

    Whore-an Dragic

    • Gate-7-

      You ever say anything constructive Boberto?

  • BxNY4LIFE

    can we not overly kill our team with 20 PGs..WE DON’T NEED ANOTHER PG!!!!!

    • Gate-7-

      We have 2… what are you yappin about exactly?

      • BxNY4LIFE

        what’s this talk about Dragic

        • Gate-7-

          I just mentioned dragic because I was looking at our PG position and with exception of Felton we have no coverage really…..

          (as much as I like Prigs he can’t be relied on to run 2nd unit regularly)

          Zoran came to mind cause he’s a Euro player that wouldnt cost us much of anything to sign… and he had a really good summer playing in Eurobasket tournament for his Country

          • BxNY4LIFE

            we already have 6 positions filled at the 1 and 2..Felton Beno and Prigs are slotted to play the 1…WE DON’T NEED ANOTHER PG TO EAT UP A VALUABLE ROSTER SPOT….we need to find a big!!! but what do I know…this is only one persons opinion

          • Gate-7-

            There are guys…. we just wont find anything of value at this point in the season out of the NBA….

            I didnt mention him to eat up a spot. I said it because our 2nd go to guard Udrih has been crap.Doubt he’d perform a WHOLE lot better during the season

  • BxNY4LIFE

    I saw an interview with Aldrich…the kid is missing one of his front tooth

  • largehrdsports

    Is Drew Gooden still available? Could the Knicks afford him?

  • Boberto

    i dont think any1 uses Felton as their starting PG in NBA 2k, its always either JR, Shump or Melo

    • Gate-7-

      who uses melo as PG??

      • Boberto

        me

  • jtru001

    muerta

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    I beat Berto on hailmary in madden lmao.

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Mike Woodson’s not worried about Iman Shumpert’s hairstyle. He’s more concerned with his defense.
    Woodson has been critical of Shumpert’s offense throughout the preseason when he’s asked about it.
    Woodson’s critique of Shumpert is interesting because the coach is usually protective of his veteran players. With Shumpert, though, it’s different.

  • Gate-7-

    Signing out…. kinda dead today. Be easy everybody!

    • jtru001

      later homeboy

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Shumpert will compete with J.R. Smith for the Knicks’ starting shooting guard spot.
    Smith, though, hasn’t taken the floor yet in the preseason.
    So Shumpert — who has said he doesn’t care whether he starts or comes off the bench –

    • jtru001

      huh?

  • GottaKeepItReal

    If JR Smith ends up starting, Woodson relationship w him should be investigated. I wouldnt be surprised if they were hooking up if that happened

    • jtru001

      lmaoooooo @hooking up….but i agree…JR needs a babysitter man

      • GottaKeepItReal

        and a coach, not a second father

        • jtru001

          word

  • GottaKeepItReal
    • jtru001

      no respect smh

      • GottaKeepItReal

        forreal

      • Boberto

        losing in the 2nd round doesnt command respect

        • jtru001

          they why all the hype for the Nets then??? they got beat by the bulls d league team, they getting more respect

          • Knicks_11ThePoet

            true

          • Boberto

            idc bout the Nets. but i know my team the knicks dont deserve respect after losing in the 2nd round to a lower seed

          • jtru001

            i agree…but they gettin shidded on by media…smh that is what im talkin bout

          • Boberto

            nigga when u trade for a bum like Andrea Bumnani as ur big offseason move while every1 else got 10 times better, u deserve to get shitted on. Glen Bumwald made us a laughing stock

          • jtru001

            aint that serius bumberto….chill out you gonna burn the chicken

          • Boberto

            im a pimp now. I be pimping your girl. the worst thing that can happen is i forget to pay deez hoes. but its all good

          • jtru001

            nah cant be my girl….nice try tho…yo where is yo boy KKB at?

      • BxNY4LIFE

        I was just highlighting Woodson with the JR Shump start no start…I think Shump should be the starter with JR coming off the bench with his instant offense

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    theres a fxck boi named teamnets

    on knicksnow

    • jtru001

      lmao….smh that dude got us all booted so that he can let his nets herbs take over the day i got booted i exposed that dude as not knowing ish bout the knicks

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        werd tell that dude to come here.

        well show him watup

        • jtru001

          that bk dude?? he the mod that banned us all lmaooo im banned too

          • BxNY4LIFE

            hope he’s happy..lol

          • Knicks_11ThePoet

            lma0

          • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

            bk wasn’t a mod he was just some crybaby who reported all of us to the mods

          • jtru001

            either way he cleared the path for all the nets herbs on knicksnow

          • BxNY4LIFE

            can you believe it..and knicksnow let them get away with it…if there was anyone to be banned on a knicks blog it should’ve been nets fans

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    putting ur star player as PG works

    ppl put lebron, igoudala, melo, kobe as their PG

    • Boberto

      nigga i been doing that for like 5 years

  • Boberto

    ESPN is hillarious tho. Niggas acted like the Knicks made the worst decision in the world by getting rid of Glen Bumwald. Then they hate on every move that he made saying Bumnani was the worst trade of the offseason by any team

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      espn is NY haters especially knick haters

    • jtru001

      why you even go on there they comments piss me off lol..

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    realest ni99as on ESPN

    prob Stephen A. thats it

    • jtru001

      SAS is the biggest herb on espn lol

      • Boberto

        nigga hes the best person on ESPN.Who would u rather listen to/watch

        • jtru001

          jim rome lol fxck espn

          • Boberto

            jim rome? LMAO that nigga got fucked up by sum herb. theres a youtube link

          • GottaKeepItReal

            lmao I remember that

          • jtru001

            i know i was joking lol

    • Boberto

      stephen a is the man. and hes mad funny. theres nobody better

      • jtru001

        that dude makes ish up for the sake of making ish up tho…mad annoying and when you get ethered by skip bayless on first take you cant be the best lol

    • GottaKeepItReal

      SAS is my go to dude, his radio show is bomb….but he killed it w his insight on Shump/JR….he was like, how can Shumps leash be so much shorter that he gets p ulled when he makes a mistake, but JR gets the green light to keep shooting us, and on top Shump bein the way better defender

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Starters should be:
    TC, Bargs, Melo, Shump, Felt

    • GottaKeepItReal

      Mr. Obvious comin thru

      • jtru001

        lmao

        • BxNY4LIFE

          if it was so faking obvious ..then why the fak is Woodson talking about starting JR…STFU you moron…just keeping it real…lmao

          • jtru001

            he just said it cuz its the same ish we all been saying chill out bx….

          • BxNY4LIFE

            I’m very chilled…then the only reply should’ve been Agreed as I was never a part of the discussion…at least we agree on something…lol

      • Boberto

        next thing he gonna say is that Tysoft Chandler is soft

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    go figure poet and boberto both think SAS is the best lmao

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      who u think prob that fxck ni99a
      chris broussard

    • jtru001

      if you get ethered on first take by Skip you aint good lol

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    yo j tru said jim rome

    lma0

    • jtru001

      i was jokin man…lol

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        lol i actually like his show on

        showtime

        • jtru001

          i used to listen to his radio show cuz he be tryna ether fools on there then he got corny

  • jtru001

    yo eric was trippin earlier tho sayin we need maggette lmaoo

    • GottaKeepItReal

      eric be high a.f when he on here I assume, cuz that dude is nonstop w the dumb posts (not hatin, I find him entertaining)

  • Boberto

    If they had a rating for how many niggas watch each herb on ESPN. Stephen A would be number 1 by far. DJ Menga DaHerb would be watching Mike Breen

    • jtru001

      who the fxck watches espn anymore tho that shit is a soap opera these days….

      • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

        exactly….all my sports news comes from twitter basically…hard to be melodramatic in 160 characters

        • jtru001

          if i watch anything tho its usually foxsports1…they women are better looking lol

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      dj mbenga would be agreeing to that fat fxck herb

      windhorst

      • GottaKeepItReal

        lmao

  • Boberto

    YO U herd what happened on the Mike bren show

    - White people

  • Boberto

    Whenever some shit goes down in the NBA, white people look to Mike breen for answers

    • jtru001

      you trippin….i dont even know who breen is lmao

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        he has his own

        show?

        • jtru001

          i dont really watch espn tho

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    ESPN headline titles :

    LeBron the KING.

    Melo “Wants” respect… smh..

    • GottaKeepItReal

      both of those things are true tho lol..

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        melo never said he wants respect.

        lebron is the KING we all know that by now. why u gotta repeat that?

  • Boberto

    Who remembers when Peace elbowed Harden, that shit was hillarious lmao. Every1 was crackin up but that herb Mike breen started crying

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      yo mike breen dont have his own

      show

      • Boberto

        i know u herb but if he did only white people would listen to it

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    bring back kenny smith and gus johnson to

    MSG

  • Boberto

    WOW ESPN predicting the knicks are gonna be below .500 next year lmao. aigh thats just straight up BS

    • jtru001

      i told you they was hating

      • BxNY4LIFE

        I stop listening to the BS long ago..I read between the lines

    • BxNY4LIFE

      just remember that the Jets were ranked 32nd…lol

      • Boberto

        yea but Rex Ryan is the caoch of the Jets. Mike Dumbson is coach of the Knicks

        • BxNY4LIFE

          My point is….. a lot of those gurus …Don’t know sheet

  • GottaKeepItReal

    JR Smith: I feel there’s nothing left to prove at the 6th man spot but
    at the same time (I’ll do it) if that’s what my team needs. #Knicks ….how bout showing up in the playoffs you dumb fck

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    yo when did ESPN say that

    ?

    • BxNY4LIFE

      gotta be an insider

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        true

        • BxNY4LIFE

          didn’t you sign up and pay?

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    who downloaded

    Games new Mixtape/album?

  • BxNY4LIFE

    there was a few guys that signed up for that insider sheet..law was one…

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Boberto signed up for that insider sheet

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    i aint paying that money to that herb website

    ESPN

    • jtru001

      nope i dont either like i said i dont even go to espn at all really

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        i just check for info on the knicks

      • BxNY4LIFE

        I browse the articles

        • jtru001

          i dont cuz then i read the comments and get mad af..

          • BxNY4LIFE

            I look to see if there’s any old timers there still commenting…their comments are down tremendously

          • jtru001

            fxck em…only one i see in there holing ish down is godsent

          • BxNY4LIFE

            yup

    • BxNY4LIFE

      at least you would’ve gotten the magazines…swimsuit edition…lol

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        lol ik ur heart-rate is going up lookng at them magz u old

        timer

        • BxNY4LIFE

          lol..it’s not my heart rate that goes up

  • Boberto

    i didnt sign up for shit. and i didnt say i believe those ESPN herbs. its just funny that they think we gonna be under .500 when we got Melo

  • GottaKeepItReal

    damn 500 for club seats for season opener…I need my company to hook it up w tix asap

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      How bout u stop mooching

      • GottaKeepItReal

        lol chill

        • Knicks_11ThePoet

          lol

    • jtru001

      yea man them tix prices are nuts….

    • Boberto

      what company u work for? Patel brothers?

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        LMA0000

      • GottaKeepItReal

        lol aint no Patel Brothers have boxes/tix at MSG

        • Boberto

          lmaooooooooooo

  • jtru001

    yo kelly rowland would get it she looking good…

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      mehhhh

    • BxNY4LIFE

      without a doubt

  • Boberto

    avon barksdale

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    that’s a typical selfish JR “me me me” statement….there’s nothing left to prove at the 6th man spot? this dude only cares about one thing and it’s his own stats/pockets

    • jtru001

      dude needs to stay the 6th man imo….in reality JR is more like 7/8th man.

      • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

        i’m leaning more towards trading that mfer everyday

        • GottaKeepItReal

          thas my Dream

        • jtru001

          word…im wit you …trade him and leslie for OJ mayo lmaoo

          • GottaKeepItReal

            so down

    • Boberto

      nigga.. its pretty obvious that nigga dont care about money that much. He jus cares on being a Knick.. He even said he let the team down last year what more u want from him

      • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

        everyone says that shit, it’s all about reading between the lines. how about when he held the knicks ransom by saying he wouldn’t resign unless he had a contract before his surgery?

        • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

          i guarantee if the knicks don’t offer a contract JR woulda been in detroit or minnesota

          • jtru001

            milwaukee lol

          • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

            same difference lmao

        • Boberto

          nigga when did Bumare or Tysoft say anything like that? Only Felton and JR took responsibility for their bad play. every1 else made excuses

          • jtru001

            nah it wasent even JR it was shump that took reposibility

          • Boberto

            nah JR said he let his team down

          • jtru001

            shump and melo said the same ish it wasent just JR….

          • GottaKeepItReal

            we lost game 6 cuz of his bumass, and every player knew it

          • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

            don’t read too much into JR saying he let the team down, that’s a PR move…you think anyone in his camp was gonna let him say otherwise when he had one of the most disastrous postseasons in recent memory?

          • GottaKeepItReal

            it was too obvious for him not to say it, especially after that game 6 disaster, where it was obviously on him….from missing that 3 to letting his man go backdoor twice. TC coulda been absolved if JR wasnt a bum

          • Boberto

            we lost cuz of Tysoft

    • GottaKeepItReal

      his relationship w Woody has hurt this team in alot of facets, from stumping Shumperts growth to more than needbe usage of iso etc..

      • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

        woody is a whole other problem, stubborn at its best.

  • BxNY4LIFE

    whenever I read about Stat it saddens me.. I’m looking for some positive divine intervention

  • jtru001

    only thing JR is concerned about is living that “baller” lifestyle and that is it….sad really cuz dude has tons of talent if ever got his ish together.

    • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

      exactly…he’s not a team player

  • BxNY4LIFE

    I made a statement the other day that Woodson playing Shump in that back to back game wasn’t a good thing…My thought was that he put Shump in a position to fail…I was ragged for it…remember I told you guys so……Woodson really wants to start JR..now he has to justify it

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Woodson’s critique of Shumpert is interesting because the coach is usually protective of his veteran players.
    With Shumpert, though, it’s different.

    Woodson has been critical of Shumpert’s offense throughout the preseason when he’s asked about it.

  • jtru001

    i think JR’s NBA career will end a lot like marburry’s did

    • BxNY4LIFE

      and end up broke like AI and Walker

  • Boberto

    Tysoft cost us the Indiana series. nigga was terrible on offense, defense, rebounding. AND he makes 60 mill

    • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

      we lost for more reasons than just tyson

    • GottaKeepItReal

      game 6 was on JR. If JR coulda been somewhat competent as a 2nd option, TCs bumass could have been overlooked, especially if we played Miami where TC woulda done fine

      • GottaKeepItReal

        Tysoft is still bum and overpaid though, not disagreeing w that

      • Boberto

        nigga Tysoft had 2 points and 4 rebounds in game 6

        • jtru001

          yea but let JR brick shots up all night and leave Kidd in when shump was hot…come on now…JR was just as bad as TC.

        • GottaKeepItReal

          but he still anchored our team D, which overall was not that bad. Losing his individual matchup is not as bad as having a overall terrible team defense

          • Boberto

            lmaoooooooooo how did he anchor the defense? Nigga got abused by his own man and was pathetic

          • GottaKeepItReal

            individual matchup again, our team D was not that bad

          • Boberto

            nigga our rebounding was pathetic and thats cuz of him

          • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

            tyson didn’t play very well individually but hibbert also had a hell of a series…can’t say it’s just one guy’s shortcomings rather than another guy’s performance

    • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

      jr’s whack ass performance, woody refusing to alter lineups, not giving stat any minutes, kidd being useless offensively etc.

    • BxNY4LIFE

      JR did

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    herberto on full blast today

  • jtru001

    JR, Kidd, TC were all reasons but lets not forget the biggest was Woodrows stubborness that beat us…he was out coached and it wasent close.

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    yoo wtf, hardaway got his ankles broken by that herb

    fields.. lma000

    • jtru001

      sun shines on a dogs ass every now and then lol

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        damn right

  • Boberto

    The playoffs was on Tysoft, Amare and Woodson straight up

    • BxNY4LIFE

      what about JR?

    • GottaKeepItReal

      The only reason JR would get a break cuz of how much he made last yr, but he was as bum as those 3 if it were equal

    • jtru001

      add JR and Kidd inthere too…amare didnt get in the game to make an impact one way or another so that falls on woodson…

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    melo carried us through the 2 wins and majority of game 6.

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    yo hardaway got some pencil legs.

    no wonder that dude soft lma0

  • Boberto

    The playoffs was on Tysoft, Amare and Woodson straight up. JR is a bench player makin 2 mill. nobody asked Woodbum to play him 40 mins a game. Tysoft makin 60 mill he supposed to step up but that nigga is a bum. Same wit Amare. Woodson, Amare and Tysoft are to blame

    • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

      you can’t say tyson making 60 million is further evidence of him being a bum then turn around and say JR making 2 mil gives him a pass….money doesn’t matter when it’s game time, you play like you’re supposed to not like you’re paid to

  • BxNY4LIFE

    TC and others might have let us down a bit…but it wasn’t because they were out getting high while partying with beaches that laughed at your stupid drunk azz

  • Boberto

    JR made 2 mill last year. nobody asked Woody to play him that many mins. Tysoft and Bumare are the 2nd and 3rd hgihest paid players on the team. they needad play and step up. Neither did for ANY year they been a Knick. Its no question it falls on those bums

    • GottaKeepItReal

      I cant disagree w that as I stated below when you factor in financials….JR still embraced that 2nd option role only to get himself suspended/media trouble as well as trying to make a case he deserved to start. W.o financials, JR was still a big reason we lost, as he couldnt fill his role AT ALL like he did in the reg season, and shot us out of numerous games

  • jtru001

    Woodson was clearly outcoached…was the real reason why leave JR and Kidd in when Shump was knockin down 3′s….same w/ Cope he was bangin some shots in as well but woodson decided to go w/ JR smh

  • BxNY4LIFE

    MY MY MY ….I guess JR was rewarded over the off season for his play

  • jtru001

    JR’s thirst lost us the series he went into depression after RIRI dissed him lmaoo

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      lma00

    • BxNY4LIFE

      she said no Pu$$y for you..and he went out and tried to elbow JET head off..lmao

      • jtru001

        she said MF is your name Lebron? then no you gets none from me lmao

        • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

          jr prolly got a whiff of her stank pussy and those diseases she’s got

          • jtru001

            i want a whiff to tho lmaoo

          • BxNY4LIFE

            double up on the trojans……Oh!! and get one for the tongue….lol

        • BxNY4LIFE

          she said…Drake is smashing this Pu$$y now son….JR was pissed when he heard that

  • Boberto

    How many players(non rookies) who get paid 2 million are counted on to play 40 mins a game in the playoffs and blamed for playoff losses besides JR?

    • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

      so if guys in their contract year (typically the best years performance-wise for athletes) play like shit, do they deserve to get a pass too because they weren’t getting paid like stars?

      • Boberto

        what do u expect from a player makin 2 million… tell me that. and how did JR fall short of that

        • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

          i expect him to play like a competent athlete and conduct himself like a professional during the playoffs. i don’t give a damn how much you’re making. your past play determines expectations not your paycheck

        • jtru001

          lets see he made a terrible decisions by Elbowing whats his face, going out to party during the playoffs and oh yea couldnt buy a shot JR was kidd type useless in the playoffs

    • GottaKeepItReal

      who cares, he was our 2nd option…stop d-riding and acting like he deserved 0 blame.

      • Long.Live.A$AP

        Tysoft deserves some of it too

        • GottaKeepItReal

          we all agree on that, but this dude acting like JR dont deserve any blame, which is stupid

      • Boberto

        nigga he was our 2nd option cuz Tysoft and Amare are horrible. Not cuz hes gettin paid like one

        • GottaKeepItReal

          I aint disagreeing w you. Amare by several miles is the most to blame, TC as well for the amnt he makes hes incompetent. But dont act like JR dont deserve blame and gets a pass cuz he only made 2mill

    • jtru001

      that is woody’s fault…at no point should JR be a 40min a game dude or a 2nd scoring option there is reason why Melo asked for a legit scorer lol

    • BxNY4LIFE

      who cares…after being rewarded over the summer ..what did your boy JR do….light it up up up he’s on fire

  • Boberto

    Aigh so what are the expectations for someone making 2 mill a year, compared toa person makin 15 mill a year..

    • jtru001

      the same…play ball make baskets and win games…

      • Boberto

        aigh so why doesnt every1 get paid 2 million

        • jtru001

          thats not how business works tho…if you on a squad i expect production…

    • BxNY4LIFE

      Stats making 100 mil and isn’t playing…Copeland was making 500k and making buckets…what’s your point bobby?

  • BxNY4LIFE

    JR is a runaway train…soon to be a train wreck….smh

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Jr needs discipline

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      hush

      • Long.Live.A$AP

        Blow ur self up

  • jtru001

    yo bumberto you go to hofstra right?

    • Boberto

      no i go to the Tysoft Chandler school of dickriding

      • jtru001

        lmao no seriously do you know Chaz Williams he went ther for 1 year now plays ball for Umass

        • Boberto

          nigga idk white people like that

          • jtru001

            dude he a black dude ball player just turned down a Euro league contract to play his senior year…why does it gotta be a race thing w/ you malu

          • Boberto

            lmao i was joking

          • BxNY4LIFE

            no you weren’t..but that’s alright…everyone has a right to feel how they feel

          • Gate-7-

            what contract? with who?

          • jtru001

            some team in turkey…he turned it down cuz he wants to make NCAA tourney and attemp the NBA dude is 5’9″ tho lol

          • BxNY4LIFE

            mugsy/spud

          • Gate-7-

            Euroleague team? hmmm

            that probably wasnt the smartest thing to do…. from a financial standpoint

          • jtru001

            nah but you gotta respect a dude tryna be an example for his kid lol

  • BxNY4LIFE

    I like the good JR…I can’t stand JR the moron!!!

    • jtru001

      it all comes down to discipline

      • BxNY4LIFE

        Agreed….and I thought Woodson had him under control..until it all came out during the playoffs

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    either way im glad we resigned

    him

  • jtru001

    yo NYK should pay me to go down there to MSG Drill SGT like and get JR straight lol….thats what that fool needs is some bootcamp

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Woodson can’t control the uncontrollable … JR is a loose cannon.. and offering him a starting position to appease him is nothing short of crazy

    • jtru001

      i dont understand what his favoritism of JR is all about but it def hurts the team as a whole

      • BxNY4LIFE

        not only on the court but also in the locker room…he needs a good ole fashion azz whipping him and Woodson…lol

  • Gate-7-

    From one perspective Herbert(o) is right…… you get what you pay for…… you cant necessarily expect to get DIE HARD performances from a guy making 2 mill at in his late 20′s.

    But from the other side …… if you agree with “you get what you pay for” then you expect that guys making 60mill a year should be giving you all star performances day in day out.

    Knicks got the raw end of both sticks….. we got a 2 mill player playing poorly when we expect more…..and we have a 60 mill player balling at a 2million$ level. This is a question of management not reigning these guys in, controlling spending, and coach not knowing a single way to utilize his pieces effectively/efficiently

    • jtru001

      well said

    • GottaKeepItReal

      mgmnt did a pretty poor job last year w what they surrounded Melo with, as the roster was completely exposed come playoff time, including coaches / individual players. But aside from financials (bc the all the blame should go to Amare), throughout the season each player embraces a particular role for the team, and come playoff time, as a fan, we expect you to thrive, but will setlle for playing solid. Both JR & TC had bigtime roles that factored into our overall success, and both failed miserably w their roles in the playoffs, as well as Woodson, who is meant to be the anchor for productivity of the squad.

      • Gate-7-

        Yes.

        In my opinion as much as Im grateful for everything Woodson has achieved…. I believe he’s just too limited to make the ultimate leap as a coach.

        Im not convinced that with the right pieces he’d be able to get this team to glory

        • GottaKeepItReal

          agreed

        • jtru001

          yepp woodson was clearly out coached in the playoffs even in the first round

        • BxNY4LIFE

          I don’t think Woodson has what it takes…and this JR fetish speaks volumes

  • Ericknicks

    Lol I forgot we had Jeremy Tyler

    • BxNY4LIFE

      no we don’t..the kid is hobbled with injury….

      • Ericknicks

        He still here lol

        • BxNY4LIFE

          in a wheelchair…how does that help us

  • Ericknicks

    Yo wake the fuk up in here lol

  • Ericknicks

    Jr gonna start when he come back lol

  • Boberto

    Melo the ALL-NBA 2k14 PG

  • Ericknicks

    Bx amare still in a wheel chair jeremy Tyler young he a bounce back

    • BxNY4LIFE

      no Stat isn’t…Stat will play the last two pre season games

  • Ericknicks

    Y’all don’t go on knicksswag

    • Boberto

      LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    • BxNY4LIFE

      no

  • Boberto

    nigga said yall dont go on Knickswag lmao

    • BxNY4LIFE

      lol…must be his blog

  • jtru001

    lmaoo gotta said earlier if JR is ends up the starter him and woody gotta be smashing on the down low…..

    • BxNY4LIFE

      Agreed…after the rejection from RiRi…he fell into Woodsons arms…

  • jtru001

    yo erick i just looked at knickswag just cuz i never heard of it….not a single comment on that site lmaoooooo

    • BxNY4LIFE

      it’s his blog..he’s trying to get some traffic…lol

  • Boberto

    write a word on a squid,call it squidward

    -Lil Wayne

    • jtru001

      weak….lil wayne is wack

      • Boberto

        i know, he didnt really say that, they made a fake twitter of his lines

  • Gate-7-

    This crap in the NBA where you’re not allowed to re-structure contracts is moronic. A player who is believed to be worth $x….. and doesnt meet the standard 3 years into a contract should be given a lower contract. The NBA essentially rewards players for doing the bare minimum (showing up) or nothing at all.

    LEts not even get started on why you give an injury prone question mark….. a 4-5 year contract. Not like you can just terminate it whenever you like…..

    • jtru001

      word they should do their ish like the NFL…its clear tho that the players run the leauge in the NBA

      • BxNY4LIFE

        Agreed…adjust especially let’s say in a case like Stat

        • jtru001

          TC…and many others that hold teams for ransom in the NBA…look at the Giants they whole Oline took a paycut already lmaoo

          • BxNY4LIFE

            yup

          • Gate-7-

            This seems to happen in almost EVERY sport/league BUT the NBA. Soccer you get cut from contract early for crap play….. then again all the highest paid players there are actually playing their worth “essentially”.

            Even basketball in Europe……

            NBA is slacking …its all a business…..unpleasant business that keeps fans from truly enjoying their teams.

            I like the fact that the RICHEST team/president doesnt always necessarily get the BEST players in the NBA but then you have this crap side of it that the players basically dictate

          • jtru001

            exactly its why i love collage ball so much….dont have none of that their only problem is getting dudes to stay lol

    • GottaKeepItReal

      forreal, NBPA doin its thing for their players

  • BxNY4LIFE

    what happened to Mellymel?

    • Boberto

      i gave his wife the Pipe. havent heard from him since

      • BxNY4LIFE

        lmao…you crazy fool…lmao

  • BxNY4LIFE

    would love to see the old timers return when the season starts..4 games and 15 days or so away

  • BxNY4LIFE

    knicks on NBATV at 6pm

    • Long.Live.A$AP

      Thursday tho

      • BxNY4LIFE

        tonight

        • Long.Live.A$AP

          Oh

  • jtru001

    yo bx you see they gave out a medal of honor today to a captain (ret) from an afghan battle.

    • BxNY4LIFE

      yeah..after his higher up ran him thru the mud….those fakers didn’t give him Artillery support..and he said it…they faked him over

      • jtru001

        yea man no artilery or aviation support..smh its how them dudes do now days man one of the reasons i got out…no loyalty between soldiers and comanders these days..oh and they let gays in the military lol

        • BxNY4LIFE

          Agreed ..there were always gays in the military tho..it’s just that you couldn’t be openly gay as it could be a morale prob..but everyone has the right to serve their country tho…as long as a homsexual guy don’t push up on me I don’t have a prob…now, if a homosexual girl try to push up on me game on..lol

          • jtru001

            thats not the point tho its the morale issue 99% of soldiers dontg agree w/ that ish and are pissed…imagin walking into your barracks room after work and your roomie is in there sucking some dude off …i would go apeshit

          • BxNY4LIFE

            Agreed..and in combat as you’re aware most everything is done in the open…trust is worth more than money…but it’s the times we live in bro..adjustments just have to be made…I will follow my orders

  • GottaKeepItReal

    One thing to consider on #Kncis G Chris Smith: I’d heard his contract
    becomes fully guaranteed if he spends one day on the roster.

    • jtru001

      oh hell na….that dude needs to be cut TODAY!!!!

      • GottaKeepItReal

        lol

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Chris smith need to give it up

  • Boberto

    Andrea Bumnani NBA 2k14 6th man of the year

  • Ericknicks

    cole toure murry nd one more getting a spot

    • Boberto

      norris cole lamacrus aldrige?

      • Ericknicks

        stop lol

  • Ericknicks

    chris smith gon make 400 thousand just for being jr brother damn it must be good to wipe your brother @ss

    • GottaKeepItReal

      lick, not wipe

      • Ericknicks

        yeah wat ever fool

  • Ericknicks

    gotta keep it real you always serious you need grill cheese sandwhich

    • GottaKeepItReal

      na, you jus delusional

  • Ericknicks

    why would you want lamarcus albrige he cant stay fresh either

  • Ericknicks

    damn where everybody at

  • Boberto

    yo gottakeepitreal u got a white name or an indian name

    • GottaKeepItReal

      moreso white, Neil

    • jtru001

      boberto you got a malu name or what

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Peace out guys….Don’t forget to watch NBATV today at 6pm..NBA Team Preview “NY Knicks”

  • jtru001

    well time to roll out gents…bumberto dont burn any chicken at that hoboken popeyes you work at.

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    yo chris duhon victim of a hit and run

    that oompa loompa looking ass dude lol

    • BxNY4LIFE

      A$AP tried to run him over..lmao

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    yo boberto whats ur

    mallu name?

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    every1 going crazy over

    oladipo

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Nah!! I need to revise my earlier comment ..it wasn’t A$AP who ran over Duhon……A$AP probably owns a Mongoose mountain bike and not a Lexus..Sorry A$AP…lmao

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      he owns an electric scooter

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    A$AP

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Smith don’t deserve to start for smoking crack like a dumbass

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      werd

    • NYC IS THE BEST

      FACT

  • Ericknicks

    all hilblys gotta missing tooth

    • NYC IS THE BEST

      HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

    • Knickels n Dimes

      ok………

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    yeoo where every1

    at

    • NYC IS THE BEST

      I know u feel some type of way

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        yea i feel like saying thank you for the good times

        to ur bish

        • NYC IS THE BEST

          -2

          • Knicks_11ThePoet

            yea ill give her the 2 dollars later

  • Boberto

    BUMNANNIII!!!

  • Elnino_201

    yoo

    • Long.Live.A$AP

      yeah.

  • Boberto

    this nigga Bumnani crossin niggas up in 2k14

  • Elnino_201

    knicks 37-45 record? lmao

    • Long.Live.A$AP

      im done lmao

      • Elnino_201

        i cnt believe it lol

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    yo ESPN has taken this shit to far

  • Elnino_201

    bet awards lol

    • Long.Live.A$AP

      yeah im watching it

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    i wish kevin hart was the host again nigga would of made it mad live wit KDOT and all the other rappers

  • Elnino_201

    yo drake dropped future off his tour because future said drake album wasnt tht good. lmao watta pussy

    • Long.Live.A$AP

      i know nigga got mad lmao

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Come on A$AP Rocky

  • Elnino_201

    future was like…… “im just being honest”

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    AY $$$$AP Fuckin Rocky

  • Boberto

    yo gimme some good stupid songs to listen to. type of way, my nigga, U.ENO, type dum ass hype songs

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Damn i guess Rocky had better things to do

  • Elnino_201

    meek mill/

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Meek Mill from philly but he sound he from the south

  • Back The Money Truck up….

    2 CHAINS!!!!! HA HA….

  • Boberto

    new article…bout old geezers and BUmwald

  • Ericknicks

    Who here