ImanShumpert

Knicks Trading Iman Shumpert Now Is a Bad Idea

Iman Shumpert fans thought they’d dodged a bullet when the Denver Nuggets reportedly said “thanks, but no thanks” to New York’s alleged Shump-for-Kenneth Faried trade proposal. But like a mind-numbing Twitter discussion involving Jeremy Lin, rumors of Shumpert’s soon-to-be-traded status just won’t quit.

They should, though. The really, really should

To be clear, I do not hold this view because I am particularly enamored by Shumpert or his game. I do not fear that Iman is going to develop into the player many think he can be in some other uniform. I am not even overly concerned that New York’s Helter Skelter management team will get once again get hosed by some other team’s GM. No, because even if any or all of those dreadful scenarios come to fruition, trading Iman Shumpert now is a bad idea.

Here’s why:

1)      The timing is terrible. Generally speaking, in-season NBA trades happen in the weeks leading up to the February trading deadline. Right now, teams are busy assessing their rosters and integrating new players, not looking to make rash changes. By mid-January and into early-February, general managers will have a better grasp of their needs and their team’s ceilings. As such, more players will be available.

2)      The Knicks’ needs are not yet clear. Various reports suggest that New York wants to upgrade its frontcourt or get point guard help in any Shumpert deal, but they already have a pretty substantial frontcourt upgrade pending the return of Tyson Chandler. At point guard, yes, Raymond Felton has been less-than-stellar thus far. But he’s also hurt — he has been hampered by a lingering hamstring injury – and the Knicks already have three other point guards on the current roster. Maybe, and I am just brainstorming here, before New York gives up one of its only legitimate assets in a trade for, say, Greivis Vazquez, Mike Woodson should take an extended look at Pablo Prigioni, or give Beno Udrih or Toure Murry some run.

3)      The salary cap makes it particularly difficult for the Knicks to upgrade. New York is well over the cap, so any player they bring back in a straight-up deal for Shumpert needs to be making a salary close to the $2.6 million that the Knicks’ third-year guard is on the books for. Not surprisingly, the universe of players making under $3 million who are also capable of helping the Knicks is pretty small. (That’s one reason why the Faried rumors made theoretical sense – as a member of the same draft class, his contract is very similar to Shumpert’s.)

4)      There might be an unseen, yet better trading opportunity just over the horizon. Right now, Shumpert is basically the Knicks’ only tradable asset. But that won’t be true next summer when the expiring contracts of Amar’e Stoudemire, Chandler and Andrea Bargnani will be valued differently by other teams. Wouldn’t it make more sense to use Shumpert in a deal with one of those expiring contracts? Wouldn’t Shump plus Bargnani or Chandler’s expiring deal fetch more than Shumpert alone?

Sure, the Knicks can do something drastic after their 3-7 start, and trade a solid young player who just happens to be one of the few capable defenders on the team. That would be easy — it’s the kind of move they always seem to make. But if I were running the show– call me, maybe, Dolan? — I’d let things around the league shake out over the next 60 days or so before risking yet another unforced fracnhise error.

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    Da boss aka The Poet

    strikes again. like danny says

    SUFFER!

  • 21shumpstreet_DPOY

    yall know this article is right

  • Ericknicks

    good afternoon

  • BxNY4LIFE

    trading Shump was always a bad idea

  • KTAB

    DAFUQ?!?!? 3-7, so u have us losing tonight to Detroit. Or did u confuse the Knicks with the Nets?

    • GottaKeepItReal

      ….theres a reason were 4.5 underdogs by oddsmakers

  • nylsjd

    Yup, hold on to the consistently below average offensive player a/k/a the wildly overrated defensive player when you can drastically upgrade your front court, that will be even more enhanced when Chandler comes back. Shumpert for Jason Thompson. Get it done.

    • 21shumpstreet_DPOY

      noot

      • nylsjd

        TH Jr. is basically already as good as SHumpert. If this team gets into a deeper hole, they can kiss this season good bye. Why punt the year away already?

        • 21shumpstreet_DPOY

          nah he isn’t.. i think most people don’t realize that shump is a silent teamplayer who doesn’t put up the numbers but just helps the team… like tony allen

          • nylsjd

            i wish he was Tony Allen

          • 21shumpstreet_DPOY

            i don’t lol

          • nylsjd

            Why? Tony Allen is sooo much better

          • 21shumpstreet_DPOY

            yeah in kicking some heads lol

          • nylsjd

            I wish he was Tony Allen

  • 21shumpstreet_DPOY

    felton is hurt!! gametime decision

    • Yougotshumped

      someone can step up.. felton was hurt earlier actually but woodson failed to notice

      • 21shumpstreet_DPOY

        leggo murry

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Dead

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    Come to the podcast article

  • Boberto

    we need a home

  • Lawrence Smith

    Bargnani was abuuuusing Drummond.

  • Lawrence Smith

    Need a damn defensive stop.

  • Boberto

    Bumno Udrih is trash where Tourre Bummay at?

  • Elnino_201

    jennings got diarrhea lmao

  • Lawrence Smith

    So Monroe or Drummond cant hang with Bargnani. I like it.

  • Lawrence Smith

    Hand down man down.

  • Elnino_201

    haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan where da fck e veryone at

  • Lawrence Smith

    And the same problem they’ve had in all their losses is still a problem. They cant defend anyone.

    • BxNY4LIFE

      yup…missing TC

  • Boberto

    ayo

    • Elnino_201

      yerrrp

  • Elnino_201

    amares in lol fck

  • Boberto

    Wait.. the fuck was wrong wit that shot? It was an open shot

    • Elnino_201

      the clock had reset lol cudda had suttin betta

  • Lawrence Smith

    Jesus.

  • Elnino_201

    lmaooo prigs sonnin amare

  • Boberto

    I like the way Tim hardawayjr pushes the pace

    • Elnino_201

      r yu insinuating u wnt him to b our pg

      • Boberto

        maybe. our “PG”‘s dont even bring the ball up anyway

  • Elnino_201

    wtf stat lmaoo

  • Boberto

    BUMARE IS BACK… against the Pistons

    • Lawrence Smith

      yea. lets slow that down. The Pistons are terrible.

      • Boberto

        i know thas why i said that lol

  • 21shumpstreet_DPOY

    stat needs surgery after that one

    • Boberto

      lol

  • Pushingkeys

    now Woodson wants to put amare in PnR!!!! Dick

    • Boberto

      bout time. no more post up bullshit

    • Elnino_201

      stupid guy right lol our coach..

  • Boberto

    TIM HARDAWAY JR THE POINT GUARD

    • BxNY4LIFE

      do you even think before you spew shit out your mouth?

      • 21shumpstreet_DPOY

        says the linfreak

  • Pushingkeys

    Woodson dumb ass kept having Stat in the post, When he is at his best in PnR

  • Lawrence Smith

    If Felton had Prigioni’s vision he’d be nasty.

    • Boberto

      nah. Prigioni has no vision. If Felton had a jumper and he could finihs. Then he’d be nasty

  • 21shumpstreet_DPOY

    UP BY 6 WIT STOUDEMIRE IN

    • Elnino_201

      miracles do happen

  • Boberto

    Amare saw Melo and Bargnani comin in. So he hadda shoot

  • Pushingkeys

    Woodson about to Draw up an iso lol

  • Elnino_201

    drummond son lol

  • Boberto

    Bumare should never post up ever in his life. Jus go back to what u were doin man. comin off the pick and roll. facing up, shooting a jumper/ attacking the basket

  • Boberto

    oh i was about to say. SHUMP AT PG

  • 21shumpstreet_DPOY

    damn whats wrong with melo

  • Elnino_201

    monroe snuffed em lol wth

  • Lawrence Smith

    Melo complaining is leaving the defense playing 4 on 5 on the other end. Not good.

    • BxNY4LIFE

      Mental…it’s all mental…I’ve been saying that Melo is mentally weak and it’s showing itself in this game so far

  • Boberto

    Melo forced the contact on that play. he should just put it up

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Melo is a good player …but anyone thinking that he’s playing good is fooling themselves

  • Boberto

    It look like he got hairy shoulders lol

  • danny55885588

    SUFFER FOR ANOTHER 40 YEARS !!!!!!! WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE CHAMPIONSHIP IN OUR BOOK.

  • danny55885588

    DRUMMOND IS A BEAST LMAO

  • Boberto

    Melo laughing at him lol

    • danny55885588

      NI99A ALREADY HAVE 5 TURNOVER LOL

  • danny55885588

    DRUMMOND THE BROTHER OF D12 LOL

    • Knickels n Dimes

      u make no sense

      • Lawrence Smith

        I think the dummy is talking about his free throw shooting.

        • Knickels n Dimes

          oh ok

  • Boberto

    lmaoo that ni99a is hillarious lookin

  • Boberto

    Damn JR Shooting percentage is fucked

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    Portland just nutted on Brooklyn last night lol

  • Lawrence Smith

    “I’m not seeing the effort I know we can put forth”……4 turnovers.

  • Lawrence Smith

    “I’m not seeing the effort I know we can put forth”…….3-12

  • Lawrence Smith

    “I’m not seeing the effort I know we can put forth”……..jogging back on defense.

  • Lawrence Smith

    If you gonna talk shite about the team, you have to make sure you’re giving 1000 percent effort.

    • BxNY4LIFE

      careful now…all these Melo zombies are gonna start to hate you…lol

  • Knickels n Dimes

    les go ni99abockers

  • LebronDaDon-datta

    Why this niggga Shaun Livingston keep outplaying Dwill

  • LebronDaDon-datta

    Jets tho…

    • Knickels n Dimes

      they gon come back

      • LebronDaDon-datta

        not with this qb lol, im waiting on Sanchez to get healthy

  • Lawrence Smith

    Geno with the Carmelo Anthony stats. 8-23.

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      lmao cept he handed 24 points 2 the other team, Melo aint that bad

  • Boberto

    I miss Sheed and Kurt Thomas

  • Lawrence Smith

    So how does Pope get so open?

    • Boberto

      gotta double Josh Smith cuz Melo got fouls

  • Boberto

    I hate Caldwell pope man

  • Boberto

    Andrea Bumnani

    Defensive Player of the Year

    • Lawrence Smith

      He’s balin.

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      niggga gets as many boards as chandler tho, so u sayin u str8 with Chandler if he could score?

  • Boberto

    YOOO BUMNANI IS NICE!!!

  • Elnino_201

    shumperts a fckin ididot

    • Lawrence Smith

      no lie.

  • Boberto

    Damn that was an NBA 2k14 block lmao

  • Lawrence Smith

    Shump can’t finish. smh.

  • Elnino_201

    dude was tryin to dunk it in slow motion or suttin lol

  • Boberto

    why do bums always hit all there free throws against us

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    lmao who woulda thought we’d all be loving bargs and tryna trade shump right now

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      Dolan?

      • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

        lmao maybe

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    bargs uses the fact that he’s soft to his advantage though, he’s always drawing offensive fouls lmao

  • Elnino_201

    jr a fckin idiot.

    • Lawrence Smith

      Not his fault. He got the ball with 3 on the shot clock.

      • Knickels n Dimes

        he coulda passed it back out, prigioni was right there

        • Lawrence Smith

          Prig kept passing the ball. He would have just passed it again

      • Elnino_201

        he sstill a idiot in general lol

        • LebronDaDon-datta

          lol general observation

  • Lawrence Smith

    Shump turning down wide open 3s.

  • Knickels n Dimes

    wat da fuck was that JR?

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    shump is a goddamn fool lately…what the hell is he thinking

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      fuck denver?

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    i’m getting a bargnani jersey lmao

  • Lawrence Smith

    Ya’ll putting that on JR? They finally got him the ball with like 3 on the shot clock. What did you think was going to happen?

    • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

      yeah word, pablo or shump shoulda put one of those looks up before jr got it

      • Lawrence Smith

        Exactly. 3 on the shot clock says take the shot.

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Lmao Jennings was like was good ni99a

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    beno and pablo been doing a pretty good job running the offense tonight too….looks like we could trade felton & shump for someone

  • Elnino_201

    so the nudge on anthony is off? lmaoo

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    Refs are wild yo

  • Lawrence Smith

    This is the refs way of saying “we dont know what the f is going on so ya’ll jump for it.”

  • Elnino_201

    kentavious lmao

  • Knickels n Dimes

    wat da fuck pablo that shoulda been an easy 2 points

  • Elnino_201

    i dont got a problem with this technical lol

    • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

      melo needs to keep his head in the game better though, he’s always been like this

  • Boberto

    Fire Woodson already damn

  • Elnino_201

    woodson needa put kmart back in the fckin game

  • Boberto

    Melo got hit on the elbow before he took the shot

    • Lawrence Smith

      Doesn’t matter. He’s not getting the calls and he keep complaining. At some point he has to realize he’s not goin to get calls tonight and adjust.

      • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

        yup, and arguing just takes his head out of the game and pisses the refs off

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    suppose beno, prigs, and even murry play decently…do you still try to package shump/felton for a pg or something else?

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      nah come playoffs they will get abused

  • Pushingkeys

    Man this team sucks! too many dumb players.

  • Knickels n Dimes

    put timmy in

  • Elnino_201

    lmaooo smith is randomly slappin melos elbows

  • Elnino_201

    smh refs is stuntin on anthony lol

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Melo playing like he’s mentally in LA already…

  • Boberto

    NAH THAT SUM BULLSHIT THAT WAS CONTINUATION

  • Elnino_201

    this game is starting to get outa hand

  • Lawrence Smith

    These refs is illin.

    • BxNY4LIFE

      might be so .. but gotta push thru it

  • Knickels n Dimes

    melo is gonna go crazy

  • Boberto

    Mike Woodson look like a jealous boyfriend

  • chris

    SO THE REFS SCRWING US…

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    HOW THE FUCK CAN WE CALM DOWN IF THIS GAME IS NOT BEING CALLED FAIRLY? WTF AM I WATCHING?

    • Elnino_201

      8-5 lol

  • Knickels n Dimes

    and this is why prigs need to shoot more

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    Nba too soft for me

  • Boberto

    Bumare throwin it down wit power

  • Boberto

    that was on Shump dumy

  • Elnino_201

    oh fuck this l

  • Boberto

    Mike breen doesnt know shit

    • Elnino_201

      everyone is a great ref to him yo lol

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      niggga acts madd different when he’s with Van Gundy
      uses the phrase “Mite of” relentless

  • Boberto

    YOOO AMARE IS SO DUMBBB

  • Elnino_201

    lmaooooooo amare thought he released the ball

  • Boberto

    AYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WTFFFF LMAOO

    • Elnino_201

      lmfaoooooooooo im dyin son

  • Lawrence Smith

    SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DID YOU JUST SEE AMARE LOST???

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    Shump’s playing like crap

  • Boberto

    naB we lost. Amare jus showed us

  • Elnino_201

    he turned around like oh sht fck u mean he still got the ball lmao

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    shump’s a fxckin bum lately

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    Everybody makes them meatball ass shots on us smh

    • Boberto

      meatball lol

  • Lawrence Smith

    If Amare isn’t on Shaqtin a fool this week…….

    • Knickels n Dimes

      he will be, hehe

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    dafaq

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    i miss sheed

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    this guy shump got blocked in a break away and lost a potential steal

    • Lawrence Smith

      Yes. Not good.

  • Pushingkeys

    Looking like the Dantoni Knicks with a worst offense. SMH

  • Lawrence Smith

    For every good thing Shump does he does 2 dumb things.

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=oPu2HY9yxSo

    sheeeeeed lmaooo

  • BxNY4LIFE

    5/15 is not good

  • Lawrence Smith

    I know Felton is like “It ain’t my fault”.

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    beno can’t hit shit either, he bricks everything

    • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

      true but he moves the offense better

      • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

        Pablo’s doing better

        • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

          both of them run this offense better than felton….i personally think pablo should be the starter

  • Lawrence Smith

    Yo Stuckey can’t miss.

    • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

      pgs always kill us

  • Boberto

    Amare deadass got pushed mad times

  • Lawrence Smith

    I don’t understand. The ref is standing right under the basket. How do you not see him get hit if you’re standing right there?

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    wtf

  • Elnino_201

    how da fck this new pistons team get more respect than us lol

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    this is some bs

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    why’s amar’e even on the court?

  • Boberto

    Im tellin u. Everytime Amare sees the sub comin in. he take the shot

  • Lawrence Smith

    Guess who’s not shooting 42 percent…..Bargnani.

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    where the hell is bargs?

    • Elnino_201

      on el bench

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    we aren’t coming back lol

  • Knickels n Dimes

    stuckey gettin lucky as fuck, hes been takin the most retarded shots

  • Elnino_201

    referees……………

  • Lawrence Smith

    You see a 6’5″ lightweight on Melo and you don’t pass it?

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    yo we suck

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    where’s melo?

  • Boberto

    Amare is so dumb. FIRE WOODSON. TRADE BUMARE. STAB BUMWALD

  • Knickels n Dimes

    …………….

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Judgement day is near…my prediction is the 21st

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    fuck these refs

    • BxNY4LIFE

      not all about the refs…we have major problems

  • Pushingkeys

    Woodson has no clue how to stop a teams momentum!!! Dude calls timeouts after shit gets out of hand!!

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    we’re done

  • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

    it starts with melo man, so what if you’re not getting the calls you think you should be, you’re the leader of the team and you gotta keep your composure at all times

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      word he got the whole team like that

  • Pushingkeys

    Another L SMH

  • Lawrence Smith

    I changed the channel. Can’t take no more of this shite.

  • LebronDaDon-datta

    This team is just bad, not good at anything

  • BxNY4LIFE

    I’m gonna watch the JLin7 show

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Lmao same old same old

  • Pushingkeys

    is the pick we gave away lottery protected??

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      i thought so lol, Dolan…

  • Pushingkeys

    ni66az cant shoot

    • Elnino_201

      tht shot by prigioni was a bullet lol

  • Elnino_201

    lol today is the 9 yr anni of the fight at the palace? tht night was awesome

  • Pushingkeys

    ni66a left stat in too damn long

  • Boberto

    HOW WAS THAT NOT A FOUL

  • Boberto

    Melo got hacked the shit out of on that layup

    • Elnino_201

      yo he almost got body slammed lol

  • Boberto

    I knew he was gonna make that free throw

  • Boberto

    SHUMP AT PG

  • Boberto

    AYOOOO NO PG LINEUP

    • Elnino_201

      lmaoo u souped

  • Lawrence Smith

    They don’t make any freakin sense. Another 4th quarter and Bargnani gets no action.

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      haha he in now

  • Boberto

    THIS IS WHAT IM TALKIN BOUT NO PG ALL DAY ERR DAY

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      watch em start no pgs next game

      • Boberto

        they have to ni99a its an ill lineup. mad hard to guard

  • chris

    FXK DIS SQD

  • Pushingkeys

    Refs love to give us calls after they let teams get double digit leads

  • chris

    MIKE WOODSON IS GETTING FIRED, I PRAYED FOR THE DUDE

  • chris

    KANYE WEST IN TOWN, CONCERT

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      lemme guess, Barclays?

      • chris

        YUP

        • LebronDaDon-datta

          word u goin? I got to see that niggga & Jay shut down the Garden

          • chris

            GOING ON THE WEEKND, HE IN MSG THIS WEEKND.. 2 SHOWS SAT N SUN

  • Boberto

    its mad hard to stop the Knicks when Shump is at PG. u cant double team no1 cuz every1 can shoot besides K mart

  • chris

    TRADE MELO? WE READY TO DO THAT?

    • Elnino_201

      guccci!

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      almost, depends on the owner.. Niggga probably still thinks were contenders

  • Boberto

    When u got Shump at PG. Run no plays. just pick and roll over and over

  • chris

    BENO STAT LINE SO WEAK, THIS DUDE SUKS AND TOURE CAN’T OUTPLAY HIM.. HUH

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Melodrama

  • Boberto

    GOTTA RUN PICK AND ROLLS ALL DAY MAN. NO 1 on 1. JUST PICK AND ROLL ALL DAY

  • LebronDaDon-datta

    These refs take us out & put us back in the game like its their job

  • chris

    WHY YALL STILL GIVE MSG TV RATINGS, TURN DAT SHXT OFF

  • LebronDaDon-datta

    Thats Melo’s shot in 2k

  • Boberto

    this lineup is mad good defensively. They just cant rebound.

  • Boberto

    SHUMP AT PG

  • chris

    RAY FELTON HAPPY HE STILL GOT A STARTING JOB

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      nigggas a backup on most teams

      • chris

        YUP, WE JUST A DESPERATE TEAM

    • BxNY4LIFE

      yup…lol…best of the bad lot…smmfh

      • chris

        LOL

  • Boberto

    The Knicks are the only team in the NBA that starts 2 7 footers and is undersized lmao

  • Elnino_201

    yo who seen lebrns sweatband on nba live 14 lmao

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    NO REBOUNDS

    • BxNY4LIFE

      nope..missing TC

  • chris

    SHUMP SHOULD BECOME A POINT GAWD,

    • Boberto

      i been sayin this

      • LebronDaDon-datta

        niggga couldn’t run point in preseason tho

        • chris

          HE JUST NEEDED MORE CHANCES

  • Boberto

    Shump should convert himself into a PG. itd be unstoppable

  • Boberto

    that is not a foul man

    • Elnino_201

      good defense just a soft foul for the refs

  • Boberto

    fuck man the shoulder

    • Elnino_201

      worng shoulder lol

  • Lawrence Smith

    We not winning this game. Too much damage was done early on. Non foul calls and mental mistakes.

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      everygames a struggle, idk what teams we should be beating

  • Lawrence Smith

    To win a game like this they need to get stops. This defense doesn’t get stops.

    • BxNY4LIFE

      what about 8/20 that doesn’t help much does it

  • Elnino_201

    fck nigggga tapped it outa bounds lol

  • Boberto

    MELO U NEEDA PASS THAT

  • Elnino_201

    who da fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

  • Elnino_201

    game over lol

  • Lawrence Smith

    So Bargnani hasn’t taken a shot in the 4th yet again. And we can’t generate enough offense. hmmmmmmmmmmm

  • Knickels n Dimes

    damn he slapped the shit outta that ball

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Over

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    Another LOSS lol #Tape

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Get ready for a blow out tomm

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    we suck

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    this is why tyson is needed though

  • Boberto

    that was shumps fault he let stuckey beat him

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    Melo should’ve passed that to Bargs, but at the same token, he had the hot hand. Can’t get mad at that. Shump need to get his IQ up.

  • Lawrence Smith

    God bless you ninjas that plan on watching these bums play the Pacers.

    • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

      Not me lol. I got better plans

      • Lawrence Smith

        Any plan is a better plan.

        • BxNY4LIFE

          I’ll be watching so will the entire country

  • Elnino_201

    unbelievable how bad we suck right now lol

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    Shump cost us 4 points from them fast breaks

    • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

      yea, he did

      • BxNY4LIFE

        what about 8/20

        • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

          stfu, talk about how many points he had in the 4th…he brought us back in the game, but Shump cost em the game

  • BxNY4LIFE

    As I said long ago..Judgement day close at hand…11/21/13

  • Elnino_201

    Mic Wudsen ‏@MikeWoodsonPls 2m

    CANYON MARBLES WUT TEH FAK

    lmao

    • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

      lmfao

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    Melo would’ve made the 3 2 years ago lol

  • Boberto

    this ni99a K mart is doing his Tysoft impersonation. Droppin mad catches

    • Elnino_201

      its an epidemic

  • Pushingkeys

    Thats the Bullshit Woodson draws up out of a time out? SMH

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      he was somehow good with that last year

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Woodson out

  • LebronDaDon-datta

    Melo balled out, once maybe this season

  • Boberto

    shutup Breen. Melo and Shump have like 4 and 5 fouls

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    this loss is pretty much everyone’s fault, melo with all those missed fts and turnovers, shump with his crappy play, kmart with his terrible play in the 4th….damn

    • Lawrence Smith

      Bargnani?

      • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

        he was alright, we already know he can’t play defense or rebound

    • Elnino_201

      refs…no calls on melo which count for like 4 of melos missed shot attempts BX lol

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    If you think this loss was on Melo, then….

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      Thats our best player tho

      • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

        and he doing what he could. He’s not the reason we getting scored on

        • LebronDaDon-datta

          Nah but if our best player is doing bad & no1 can step up… Not gonna win most games

  • Boberto

    I guarantee a win tommorow if we start Shump at PG against Indy

    • Long.Live.A$AP

      No ni99a

  • Elnino_201

    if they beat the pacers tht shit is a total mind fck lol

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    Nobody could play defense. It’s not like Melo is getting abused on defense. How many put backs and alleys did Drummond have? Is that Melo’s fault too?

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    oh shiet, pacers tomorrow

  • chris

    SO WHO REALLY WATCHING THE PACERS GAME

    KNICKS FANS NEED TO CHILL AND JUST GO TO THE GAME. I WANT THE ARENA TO BE EMPTY

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      send a msg to Dolan

  • Knickels n Dimes

    i wonder wat woody is drawin up….

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Ni99as we ain’t beating the pacers

  • BxNY4LIFE

    no matter how you look at it….8/20 is not good

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      not great, not the reason we lost either

      • BxNY4LIFE

        it’s one of the reasons tho….but not entirely all his fault

        • LebronDaDon-datta

          word, wasnt sure what u implying. Needs 2 step up no1 denying that here

          • BxNY4LIFE

            what I’m implying is that since the season started Melo has been playing like shit!!! the only decent game he’s played so far is when JLin7 came to town

          • LebronDaDon-datta

            so u implying shit that we already are very aware of?
            lol Cool thanks

          • BxNY4LIFE

            unfortunately not everyone on here is aware of that…some on here are zombies

  • chris

    MELO WAS TRASH IN THE 2ND QTR, WE SHOUDL OF BEEN UP BY 10 AT HALFTIME. SMH

    • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

      shump, beno, kmart and stat too lol

  • chris

    WHEN IS THE NEXT WIN ON THE SCHEDULE, IS THIS THE KNICKS OR BOBCATS

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      lol 4real

      • chris

        BOBCATS NOW PLAY IN MSG

  • Boberto

    THAT WAS A CLEAN BLOCK

  • chris

    MIKE WOODSON POSTGAME SPEECH

    THE OTHER TEAM JUST PLAYED HARDER

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    this shit is sad honestly, losing to the bum pistons

  • Elnino_201

    WHAT DA FUCKKKKKK!!

  • Boberto

    that was clean

    • Elnino_201

      yo it was lol

  • chris

    CHECK BENO STAT LINE. STEAL MORE LIKE TRASH SMH

  • Boberto

    i knew that was clean right away

  • Boberto

    JR should STAY driving to the hoop

    • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

      he only makes those when the game is OVER

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    So y’all want Melo to shoot above 50% every game w/ ni99as like Felton, JR Bricks, Shump, etc playing like garbage? Lol, only person playing good is Bargs.

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      Bargs the only niggga who noticed it was the Pistons they were playing

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    So 3-7 and 3-8 after tomm bc we ain’t beating the pacers

    • Elnino_201

      front runner ass niggga

  • chris

    MELO IS NOT A LEADER AND WOODSON IS A TERRIBLE COACH

    WE NEED A NEW COACH

    • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

      Melo being a leader wouldn’t make a difference.

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    let’s go knicks tomorrow, somehow let’s get a win

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    Who would want to be a leader of this bum squad? lol, I don’t blame Melo

  • Boberto

    nah but yo look at Bumno Udrihs stats. Ni99a had 0 points and 2 turnovers. We needa start Shump at PG we’d be so much better

    • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

      bum

  • kobefan2420

    marcus smart is a beast

    • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

      the sky is blue

  • Yougotshumped

    https://pbs.twimg . com/media/BZewFmbCcAA28Qx.png:large

    Amare’s Defense

    • Boberto

      lmao we all saw that shit was hillarious

      • Yougotshumped

        i was laughin so hard

    • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

      DPOY 2014

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      lmao what can we do with that

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    i didn’t think beno would be THIS bad holy shit

  • Lawrence Smith

    So um……..You get bargnani to score but you don’t let him take shots in the 4th. I think its time. I’m a Mike Woodson fan but……..he gotta go.

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      If they were defending we could live with it but they doing nothing

  • kobefan2420

    lol u people make me laugh when u talk about “leader” so melo not being a “leader” is why they are losing??? shut up goh with that nonsense

    • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

      Thank you!

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      nah i think they saying for that money, niggga needa lead..

      • kobefan2420

        who cares how much money he is getting…we aint paying him so y does it matter. Him “leading” has nothing to do with them winning or losing

        • LebronDaDon-datta

          Lol because he should idk..? Its lazy

  • chris

    jkidd was the reason we won so many games

    he was the coach and the leader of the team

    • kobefan2420

      u about as dumb as Gucci mane look in that pic

      • LebronDaDon-datta

        lmaoo

  • chris

    what did melo shoot tonight

    • Lawrence Smith

      8-20

      • chris

        right on line

  • chris

    jkidd is exposing woodson

    • Yougotshumped

      this

    • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

      jkidd’s a wack coach himself so far, but yea he was great for us early in the season

      • Yougotshumped

        When he could shoot

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Woodson gone tonight

  • knickpunkk_from_Brooklyn

    i’m out nyk got me tight again lmao.

  • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

    Melo’s effort should be enough leading. The only other person that wanna play is Bargs. JR just throwing ish up b/c he obviously has the green light from Woody, Felton aint shit w/o his alleyoop to TC, Shump be playing scared O and don’t use his brain on D, need I say more?

    • Lawrence Smith

      But then you muzzle Bargnani in the fourth?

      • BxNY4LIFE

        because Woodson only knows one thing…make that two…Melo and JR

      • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

        Forgot to mention Woddy’s abysmal coaching

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Damn we made Knickels turn to the knicks

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Melo is a good player but he’s not a good leader … the team needs someone who can grab the bull by the horn…someone who’s mentally tough..I think MWP is the one and it will show as the season progress

    • Ciroc_NesBoogie718

      How you expect him to do that when he gets no calls, has the worst coach of all time, and teammates playing doodoo (minus Bargs), etc.

      • BxNY4LIFE

        you need to wake up bro…

    • DJ Mbenga da GOAT

      that’s tyson

      • BxNY4LIFE

        Agree somewhat

  • kobefan2420

    once again so if melo was the “leader” yall want him to be they would be winning?

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      lazy

  • danny55885588

    lol knicks are tanking for draft picks………..oh wait ya don’t have any picks..

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      Word, Ya’ll too?

      • danny55885588

        We have chemistry issue. we will turn it round.

        • LebronDaDon-datta

          Livingston > Dwill?

          • danny55885588

            word …..for right now.

          • LebronDaDon-datta

            Woww, we agreed..

          • danny55885588

            Dwill has injury issue.

  • Elnino_201

    fire mike woodson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    • danny55885588

      Fire Melo !!!!!!!!!! he is choker

      • chris

        fire dwill, he is useless

  • chris

    CMON WOODY PUT YA HEAD DOWN IN THE POSTGAME

  • chris

    TRADE FOR POPOVICH

  • LebronDaDon-datta

    We’ve won pleanty of games with Melo shooting worse. I think those 3′s from last year helped mask some of this mess that showdd during the playoffs. Lil bit

  • Boberto

    JR WAS POINTING AT BUMNANI TOO. hes smarter than he acts

    • BxNY4LIFE

      at times

  • BxNY4LIFE

    I’ve been telling you guys for the longest time that Woodson is not a very good coach and now you’re seeing it for yourselves

  • Boberto

    JR was screamin at Melo not to foul Dwight Howard the other game. and was pointing at Bumnani when Melo shoulda passed to him. He jus acts like an idiot but he knows the game

    • BxNY4LIFE

      when i told you guys that….. some on here was telling me that I was lying

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      He makes smart plays defending the fastbreak too, no1 said kid was stupid on the court. Cept when he doesn’t pass lol

  • BxNY4LIFE

    can’t win at home…and can’t win on the road…not looking good for Woodson

  • chris

    mike woodson to the podium to talk the same bull he keep saying all the time

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Of course danny comes here

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    “The other team wanted it more”
    Woodson logic

  • BxNY4LIFE

    at least Boston is also losing

    • Long.Live.A$AP

      Ni99a who gives a fuck

      • BxNY4LIFE

        the Knicks

  • Boberto

    I guarantee a win tommrow against Indiana if Shump starts at PG

    • Long.Live.A$AP

      No

      • Boberto

        who do u want then? Bumno 0 points Udrih?

        • Long.Live.A$AP

          Ni99a shump can’t pass

          • Boberto

            ni99a we need sum1 that can hit shots lmao

    • BxNY4LIFE

      when the ship is sinking … might as well try to use the anchor as a life vest…gotta try something

  • danny55885588

    MELO IS A BIG TIME CHOKER !!

  • chris

    dwill has been useless since hes in bk

    • chris

      add 5 more years of him too it all

    • danny55885588

      ni99a he was top 3 after all star break last year.

      • LebronDaDon-datta

        Melo was top 3 all year…

        • chris

          got emmmmmmm

  • BxNY4LIFE

    let’s hope Toronto can win tomorrow

  • Boberto

    WAIT WAIT. holl up. did this ni99a jus say they played good on defense?

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Only saving grace…the Atlantic is not that good…. so far

  • chris

    I GOT A KNICK SNAPBACK , AINT ROCKIN THAT SHIT AGAIN FOR A WHILE

  • chris

    lol so kendrick aint getting no love in barclays right now lol, it happen last time too ahaha

    • LebronDaDon-datta

      lol worrrrd? hahha what happened?

  • chris

    ny not riding kendrick no more

  • BxNY4LIFE

    I wonder what Dolan is thinking right now…Oh wait…he’s gonna guarantee a win tomorrow

    • chris

      lol

  • BxNY4LIFE

    Anyway I’m out…gotta get myself mentally prepared for tomorrow night…peace

  • Boberto

    Wally has been keepin it mad real lately

  • Boberto

    I kinda feel bad for Amare now

    • chris

      HE BEEN STEALIN CASH, F HIM

  • chris

    MSG NEED TO BE EMPTY TOMORROW, THE FANS GOT TO SEND A MESSAGE

  • Ericknicks

    this shit dead? lol

  • Ericknicks

    lol damn knicks

  • Ericknicks

    imma get aige number aint prank call his ass lol

  • Boberto

    Walt Clyde begginings be gangsta as fuck

    • Ericknicks

      lol clyde the man

  • Hollis2Hollywood

    I didn’t even watch the game. I knew we’d lose

    • Ericknicks

      lol they could of won

  • Ericknicks

    damn white ppl always been racist you know clyde hate white ppl lol

  • Hollis2Hollywood

    who tryna get on GTA V?

    • Boberto

      ni99a u mad late lmao noobdy on that no more

      • Hollis2Hollywood

        I bought it the day it came out. what you mean?

        • Boberto

          Mad people on GTA the first week it comes out. Then only a few people play it until the next one comes out lol

          • Hollis2Hollywood

            well ive been playing all day so….

  • Boberto

    Yo Hollis, Shump at PG movement. U down?

    • Hollis2Hollywood

      I think we should bench all the starters. Send a message

      • Boberto

        it seems like all the starters on our team besides Melo have been on the bench at one point lmao

  • Ericknicks

    clyde beginnings is good

    • Boberto

      its makin me sleepy tho

      • Ericknicks

        cuss you tired lol

      • Hollis2Hollywood

        This nikka Eric wanna rock you to sleep

  • Ericknicks

    bargs was hot he didnt even get a shot in the 4th lol

    • Boberto

      they were saving him for Indiana lol

  • Boberto

    Yo hollis, i told people. If Shump starts at PG tommorow, the Knicks are beating the Pacers

    • Ericknicks

      hollis a pacer fan

      • Boberto

        hell yea. His fav player was Rick Smits

        • Ericknicks

          lmao never of him

          • Hollis2Hollywood

            So shut the fuck up then lol

  • Ericknicks

    na hollis fav plaayer was luke walton lol

  • Ericknicks

    bench melo lol

    • Boberto

      start Chris Smith lmao

      • Ericknicks

        lmao

  • Boberto

    Hey umm Melo.. You’re gonna come off the bench today. Chris Smith is gonna be starting from now on

    -Woody

    • Ericknicks

      lmao he gon say to dolan trade me

  • Ericknicks

    chris smith jr felt cole nd beno play them lmao

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    yo

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    we lost

    ?

  • Boberto

    I feel bad for Morgan Freeman, he never gets any pussy in any of his movies

  • chris

    who got the ps4

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      u?

      • chris

        nah i aint got it, thickn of copn that or xbox one

        • Knicks_11ThePoet

          cop the xbox one with nba 2k

          im bout to get it next week

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    i have this gut feelin that well

    win tomorrow

    • Boberto

      only if we start Shump at PG

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        true. what happened tonight tho. didnt get to watch

        prob watch it tommorow

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    good night

    have a good

    1

    • Long.Live.A$AP

      …….……………..

  • knicksdfan4lyfe87@yahoo.com

    need to drop dolan

    • jtru001

      exactly, and Woodrow as well

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Need a another coach players aren’t motivated under woodson

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    yo

  • Back The Money Truck up….

    This team has NO identity….The roster is flawed,no pure shooters or skilled players and this is the result.That being said,they still should have won that game.SMH

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    watchin knicks in

    60. horrible game.

    • Back The Money Truck up….

      Yep,Knicks in 60 spares you the misery watching 2+ Hours of horrible BB….I’llwatch it again later on tonite.Lol

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        lol its on

        now

        • Back The Money Truck up….

          I watched that GARBAGE late last nite! I’llwatch the Pacers game on Sh!t in 60 again tonite also.

          • Knicks_11ThePoet

            lol. u never know we might
            win

          • Back The Money Truck up….

            Prolly rite….They get beat by BUMS and play legitimate teams hard.WTF??

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    just finished

    what a joke. we have no plan whatso ever.like theres no direction on this team.

    i think woodys missing that veteran PG in kidd, billups or bibby. were not doing it right now

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    can barbosa play PG

    ?

    • Back The Money Truck up….

      Get Herb Williams….SOMEBODY!!!!

    • jtru001

      no he can barely play SG

  • jtru001

    yo wtf….knicks didnt watch the game but what the hell is going on?

    • Back The Money Truck up….

      You didn’t miss anything….Poor Defense and suspect @ the PG position.

  • GottaKeepItReal

    Only got to catch the 2nd half yesterday, wow that was brutal. 10 games in still 0 identity

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      yup its either work bargnani efficently . then make JR and stat ball hog it and make anthony carry the entire team. no chemistry or togetherness
      iike last

      year

    • jtru001

      i didnt watch but wtf…beno 0-5? JR 3-15 or some ish from 3….just crazy…woody needs to go…

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        woody cant control that.

        its all bout his offensive plan

        • jtru001

          he can control that if its his gameplan lol…

      • GottaKeepItReal

        Bargs, who shoots 52% in fg this season…think he had 1 shot in the 2nd half

        • GottaKeepItReal

          Woody still thinks JR the 2nd option….f him at this pt

  • Back The Money Truck up….

    Bargs set the tone by being aggressive early in the game and then fell off….I see the potential but it’s not consistent.

    • GottaKeepItReal

      didnt even see the first half, but from the looks of the 2nd, they werent even lookn his way alotta the time…it was either iso melo/bricks. He was acting like a decoy if anything. Bricks needs to NOT be in, and Felton should take that spot to create shots as a pg

      • Back The Money Truck up….

        Agreed

  • jtru001

    yo at this point im so pissed and ready for them to blow the whole thing up and start getting ready for a complete rebuild

  • largehrdsports

    I missed the second half of the game. Why did we lose? The box score really isn’t telling me why.

    • GottaKeepItReal

      more inefficient offense, barely got calls, couldnt reb, and stuckey went off

      • largehrdsports

        I read your comment below about Bargs not getting any looks in the 2nd half. That’s too bad b/c he was beasting in the 1st half.

        • GottaKeepItReal

          ye I didnt get to watch the first half, but was shocked that neither melo/jr would try and help him get looks w.o a pg

      • Knickels n Dimes

        most of stuckeys shots were lucky as fuck

        • GottaKeepItReal

          Shumpert couldnt D him up to save his life

          • Knickels n Dimes

            that too

    • jtru001

      poor shooting %

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      bad defense too much forcing on players and no

      PG

  • jtru001

    didnt watch the game but wtf was up w/ JR…box score showed a + in the +- stat but have a hard time believing he was efficient really

    • largehrdsports

      Melo and JR force things to the point where the other Knicks just stand around and watch them play

      • jtru001

        i hate that and that ish falls on the coach for allowing it….completely ruins whatever game chemistry the team has going

    • GottaKeepItReal

      JR padded his stats in the last 2-3 min, got 2 pretty lucky layups (those shots would NEVER go in in the playoffs) and hit a wide open 3…also cant play rotation D still, givn up backdoors

  • largehrdsports

    Melo is in a slump despite what the box and stats say. He needs to change his game up, start passing more and earlier, holding the ball while 2 and 3 dude converge on him ain’t helping.

    • GottaKeepItReal

      especially w no pg in, hes gotta do his best to get his teamates open shots…sometimes it seems he can only find JR

      • largehrdsports

        Ordinarily I don’t care when a scorer like Melo (Kobe or Jordan) holds the ball, scorers have always done it. But when you’re struggling with efficiency you gotta move the ball and others involved.

        • GottaKeepItReal

          true, but Kobe always had a versatile big guy tho to dump the ball down to or play pnr w that could score….w.o help or Kobe on this roster tho, I see him being as efficient/even less efficient if anything than Melo has been

          • largehrdsports

            I’m just saying a scorer who isn’t struggling, holding the ball, stopping the flow of the offensive isn’t a bad thing But when he’s struggling he should think about passing more. Right now Bargs is on a rolls, he could be the recipient of some of those passes

          • GottaKeepItReal

            ye I agree with you, I got sidetracked w Kobe, always thought he was overhyped. But youre right, Melo gotta do a better job gettn others involved, especially w no pg. And I have 0 clue what woody says to these guys, but bargs is shootn 52% on the season, compared to JRs 24%, yet JR still gets more usage

    • jtru001

      he was good w/ that in the games i have seen …from the sounds of it seems like he is regressing

      • GottaKeepItReal

        its the team/falling behind in the 3rd that kills our offense, bc then the pressures on Melo to carry us back, and hes really got no help

        • jtru001

          true…was crazy to see that jennings only attempted 3 shots tho…amazing what having help does to a guy…

  • Back The Money Truck up….

    Bargs has to stay aggressive and DEMAND the ball! If the shot is there,take it….

    • largehrdsports

      Not his style. Too bad though

  • Gate-7-

    I actually think Melo is doing a lot on the floor….. Far more acive on the boards, taking decent shots, moving the ball more. The problem is

    1) in every play, when he gets the ball there is an automatic ISO that goes into play. No movement, nobody getting themselves freee everybody is sightseeing.

    2) with the entire team slumping Im not mad at him for taking contested shots… because he honestly believes he’s the only one with at least 70% chance of making it. Whether thats wrong or not…… is another issue

    • largehrdsports

      It’s the coaching?

      • Gate-7-

        You disagree? If so I dont see how.

        • GottaKeepItReal

          you cant entirely put all the blame on coaching, especially w Felton strugglng w injuries all year, TC out and Stat playing like someone worth 2 million. Though woody does deserve blame, but I dont see anyone else out there succeeding w this mess of a roster

          • Gate-7-

            No you’re right, you cant say its fully coaching.

            I think the blame goes

            Office>Coach>Players

            The office deserves all blame because in essence they brought in a coach with a very specific coaching technique. they then went on to provide him with guys that in theory fit but just …dont. Did Woodson have NO say in who came in? If he did then this is even more his fault……. because it adds to his lackluster coaching ability.

          • GottaKeepItReal

            agreed, even w this roster, Woodson can def do a better job. Proven by last years playoffs and his poor rotation decision making and even last night drawing up plays….he really let JR throw upa contested 3 w 25 seconds left..givs me a headache watchn Woody/JR do what they do sometimes

        • largehrdsports

          It was an honest question. It seem like you were eluding to coaching but now it’s clear. I’ve wanted to let Woodson go when Sloan said he was interest in the Knicks.

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    bargs has been the true second option to

    melo

    • GottaKeepItReal

      not according to Woodson and his bf Bricks w his 24% fg shooting

  • Gate-7-

    Of all the rumors right now… the one that has to take on some more weight is replacing Woodson. As bad as it looks to onlookers around the league to drop your coach 10 games in…… we arent out there to make others happy.

    This team is not only in a slump but also predictable. Nobody else gets plays or the chance to score big. We need a coach who recognizes we have a top scorer but isnt afraid to let someone else take a big shot ……

    • largehrdsports

      Yup, the offense is very predictable as the Spurs proved a last week. But that’s always been a criticism of Woodson==Iso Joe to Iso Melo

      • Gate-7-

        Yeah it didnt show as much last season because people were hot…….. so things just worked. Now they it becomes glaring when we are slumping…..

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    word is he’s looking good at this stage of his recovery, which figures to make him an attractive target for teams scouring the open market in search of an in-season infusion of bench scoring.

    • largehrdsports

      Who, Bargs?

    • jtru001

      sounds like something in read bout Lamar Kardashian yesterday

      • Gate-7-

        I wouldnt mind Lamar to be honest….. He’s a free agent….. sign him to a one year….. conditional…. see what happens…… a (good) not great… but good Lamar…. isnt a bad asset to have

        • jtru001

          i agree that is if he can stay off the pipe…pause.

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    ppl read this article. seriously good read. im not approving it. but it has some facts.

    http://leaguebeats. com/2013/11/20/game-changers-time-to-trade-carmelo/

    • Knickels n Dimes

      ……………………

  • Back The Money Truck up….

    This team is flawed….NOBODY can win with this team the way it’s constructed-Not Phil Jackson,Vangundy or whoever you wanna name.The roster is SUSPECT!

    • GottaKeepItReal

      Fact, rosters a mess, any coach that comes here is gonna hurt his career. Until the Stat Saga is over, itll jus be messy

    • jtru001

      true bunch of “specialists” not enough 2way player

      • GottaKeepItReal

        I wish we could compete for G Monroe this offseason

        • jtru001

          that would make my summer lol

    • largehrdsports

      This is not a championship team but it’s a lot better than its record and recent play suggests. Someone could easily get this squad into the 2nd round of the playoffs.

      • jtru001

        you think this is a better team than last year?

        • largehrdsports

          No but last year’s team was supposed to be a ECF teams, coaching F’d it up.

          • jtru001

            true that and injuries…

        • Gate-7-

          Yeah, most definitely. We have a majority of the core.

          With the exception of Copeland for his usefulness, the team remained…. we added far better pieces.

        • Gate-7-

          All the guys that left were liabilites anyway.

          I wouldve kept Brewer though…… Brewer and Copeland

    • Gate-7-

      I disagree. I think with a coach big on fundamentals this team with TC has a lot of firepower. The problem is the losing streak is putting everyone in a terrible mental state and Woodson cant seem to counter it.

      Just like Replacing Dantoni last year brought guys back on the floor… a coach change will likely get morale back…. (the idea of possibly doing something new)

      Then his fundamentals mentality will bring more good play as guys gel under said coach

  • jtru001

    yo gotta if we get Monroe does that obsolete TC??? spacing issues/clogging in paint?

    • GottaKeepItReal

      TC is somewhat tradeable, im sure some teams w the right roster could use him. We could jus flip him to get him off the roster/cap. But then again, I dunno what Dolan/Front office thinks, for all we know they could jus love him

  • jtru001

    I hate to say it but seems to me like we are missing J Kidd…a floor general type dude…someone that takes control/coach on the floor type dude.

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      yup woodys system is only effective with a
      true PG!

    • Gate-7-

      True I shouldve said Kidd too below but I guess I was going off his usefulness come playoff time. His presence was a non-factor by that time… so could be said we didnt need him to succeed last year.

      • jtru001

        i agree though i do think he was a big presence on the team for most the year and more importantly the guys respected him.

  • GottaKeepItReal

    I think its time for Toure Murray to get some burn, weve seen it w JLin/Cope that some of these randos that no one believes could just have a positive impact on the court.

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      yup. woody is too stubborn

      aldirch and murry are young and can run the

      floor

    • Gate-7-

      What was wrong with Udrih……. He played and then was forgotten

      • GottaKeepItReal

        tbh, i didnt get to watch the first half, so cant accurately speak on his performance, but it seems defensively we cant stop any 1/2s, toure could help w that.

        • GottaKeepItReal

          but its moreso for just a fresh look/ one of those “who knows what could happen” moves based on history w lin/cope

          • Gate-7-

            Yeah.

            I think this team should forget about this Rondo nonsense….. Sign Odom…… 1 yr..conditional…. if it works out… great if not.. we still good for next year

          • GottaKeepItReal

            ye def wouldnt mind that

          • largehrdsports

            I like Rondo, Melo likes Rondo but trading for Rondo who’s still recovering from ACL surgery is saying “we’re giving up on this season”

          • Gate-7-

            Plus, you’ll see when Rondo comes back he wont want to be a part of that team….. He will be leaving Boston most likely.

            In that scenario Ainge will be the desperate one and we will set the terms…. we need to learn patience.

    • largehrdsports

      Lin was helped entirely by MDA’s system. So was Fetlon in 2010. But if Felton was in a more structured offense other than ISO Melo he would be much better. We’ve seen it.

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        well then again dantonis offense made melo completely

        useless

        • largehrdsports

          I’m not advocating for MDA. Just a coach who is willing to run a few offensive plays other than PnR or Iso

      • Gate-7-

        Most….DEFINITELY…..

        Knicks make three moves in my eyes to flip things in favor….

        !) Hire Hollins
        2)Sign Odom to 1 yr contract
        3)Involve the bench guys more ; play Toure,Aldrich,Amare(FAR MORE MINUTES)

        You’ll see how quickly thingsturn around.

        Does this equal playoff run….no… but at least we dont get embarrassed this season

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    So hypothetical we’re 3-8 cause you know it’s the pacers

    • jtru001

      thing is on a good day i feel like we can beat them…problem is we dont seem to be having many of them lol

    • Gate-7-

      Last year we went in when it came to the big games… but the guys dont look like the same heart they did last year

      • jtru001

        def no…they have no effort it seems….

  • jtru001

    Yo were dafuq is the leadership and accountability? Who is holding dudes accountable if the coach does not? Team lacks direction and dont have a leader to give it to them….the reverse of the too many chiefs no enough indians situation.

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    put bargs at PF and start amare at C tomorrow

    this dude will start to play defense when he gets facial zed by hibbert

    • Gate-7-

      today? No….. just no. Maybe against the bobcats…… but Amare will get demolished at the C spot……… he has absolutely no advantage over Hibbert.

      I’d be interested to see what would happen with Amare at the 4 and Bargs at the 5 though….? (just for sheets and giggles)

    • largehrdsports

      Start KMart we need his defense

  • largehrdsports

    Melo and Bargs could run high PnR all day. Gallenari and Mosgov used to do this last season. Check youtube. They’re garbage compared to Melo and Barg. However Melo and STAT never tried it once so don’t expect it from him and Bargs. Too bad. Easy points.

    • GottaKeepItReal

      supposedly they aint doin it w STAT for health reasons, but Bargs is all about pick nd pop, dont think he can roll competently…we NEED a damn big for once that is actually a threat to score in various ways w PnR. Its so easy to defend it against us cuz all our bigs can do one thing off the pick

      • largehrdsports

        I meant past seasons when Amare still had some knees.

        • GottaKeepItReal

          werd thats a reallllly small sample size tho w melo/stat

          • largehrdsports

            It’s a smart play that well coached or smart players use. Gallenari and Mosgov weren’t on the floor together a lot as Knicks or Nuggets but they both knew high PnR causes defenses problems

      • Gate-7-

        I watched that last Wolves game…. Pekovic is such an effective Big man…. when you learn in Europe you run the pick and roll like bread and butter

        • GottaKeepItReal

          I love watchn that team, def one of the reasons I got league pass, their pieces complement eachother so well, wish we could trade teams. Hes so fundamentally solid, and doesnt have a low iq like all our bigs

          • Gate-7-

            There are no flaws in his game….. he is no Dwight Howard,,,,, but he makes up for every single downside in athleticism by dominating his position tactically.

            He was coached by Obradovic,,,,,damn if we were brave enough Making a splash to secure that coach would turn this team into a military instillation…..guys just listen and respect him (tactical genius)

          • GottaKeepItReal

            werdd

    • jtru001

      nah him and stat did from time to time and it was nice…and i agree melo is actually a pretty good PnR ball handler.

      • largehrdsports

        They did it once by accident. Melo never does it.

  • largehrdsports

    If Geoge Karl could set aside the past and if Melo was willing to be coached by him, Karl would be a good look for this team. But I think Karl and Melo are done with each other.

    • jtru001

      i think so too…but then again Karl has that cloud of non success in the playoffs either

      • largehrdsports

        He’s never been to the Finals.

        • Knicks_11ThePoet

          seattle?

          • largehrdsports

            You are correct, sir

  • jtru001

    its dead af in here …thought it would be live…considering the game last night.

    • Gate-7-

      I know right,….. people prolly still in bed

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        ik whose in bed

        mr gate

        • Gate-7-

          No good sir….. Im sitting in front of my Workstation

          • Knicks_11ThePoet

            lol

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    NBA executive says wiggins is the next paul george.

    i say hes better than that. maybe on T-mac level.

    • theflyeststar

      never thought id say this but paul george will probably be as good as tmac if he isn’t already

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        hmmm.. never know

      • jtru001

        i agree…whats goody sir thirst

  • theflyeststar

    we really lost to the pistons lol

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      flye. u mad that u cant post

      pics no more?

      • theflyeststar

        lol na, knicks losing so much has me too depressed to post biddies

        • Knicks_11ThePoet

          but u cant do it no

          more here.

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    Steve Kyler: Iman Shumpert loves being a New York Knick – despite being a kid from Chicago, he loves being a Knick — the rumors are crushing his spirit -

    • theflyeststar

      lol its crushing mine too, i love shumps game

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        lol

      • jtru001

        i do too but if we can improve our roster by letting him go im willing to do it as well.

        • theflyeststar

          truski was goodie, did you see the game last night?

          • jtru001

            fxck nah thank god lol

          • theflyeststar

            lol word i didn’t watch it either im so glad i missed it

  • theflyeststar

    melo needs to snap out of this funk he’s in, ive never seen him play this bad

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      werd but either way we suck when melo goes

      out too

      • theflyeststar

        melo carried us so much last year he’s banged up

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    avery Bradley 5-22 last night

    who dafuq he think he is? kobe? melo?

    lol

    • jtru001

      um yeah…

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        lol u think

        so?

        • jtru001

          fuck no…lol im just sayin he thinks he is Kobe and melo

  • Gate-7-

    Im sure there are great replacements for coaching spot… but if I were gonna make a splash as President/ GM for the future…. I’d sign Obradovic and have a REAL coach for the next 5-8 years. (Sure unproven in US but easily the most succesful coach in Euroleague)

    • largehrdsports

      I was watching a Euroleague game and that thought occurred to me too. Why not give a European a shot at coaching in the NBA. Is Obardovic that guy who looks like John Stockton?

      • Gate-7-

        Yes I suppose he kinda does look like Stockton……

        I even support his team……but I understand a great coach when I see one……. He has taken every team he coached to glory…….. with lesser american options available why not give him his shot. No way in hell Kidd deserves a spot over him

    • theflyeststar

      people might laugh but a female coach like pat summit could do wonders for an nba team

      • Gate-7-

        I wouldnt…. I dont know her really but Im sure she coaches Fundamentals……….. thats what this team needs man

      • largehrdsports

        I doubt it. We need more women coaching males in high school and college first.

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    btw jr shot

    7-15 last night @jtru001:disqus

    • jtru001

      i know i saw that wtf…look at his three point % tho.

      • jtru001

        he was like 4-12 or some isht like that…

    • GottaKeepItReal

      he padded his stats yesterday w a lucky call and 2 lucky layups as well as a wide open 3

      • jtru001

        2-9 on threes aint good tho….

        • GottaKeepItReal

          its bricks tho, he usually shots 15-20% from deep this year

  • jtru001

    sorry 2-9 on threes @knicks_11thepoet:disqus

  • theflyeststar

    anyone hear about what trinidad james said lol

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      u late with

      that lol

    • jtru001

      nah what he say.

  • Gate-7-

    …Haunting…

    …Apparition…

    …Desolate…

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    pacers are going to be hella ready tonight

    after that beat down by Chi town

    • jtru001

      fxck them…i hope someone kicks hibbert right in the dick first thing…hard af so that he cant walk…i nominate Cole since he dont play anyway.

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        LOL

  • KnicksTape

    yo what up

    • jtru001

      ppl mad af i guess lol..dead

      • KnicksTape

        JT my site is ready brah

  • Gate-7-

    Its so annoying that no we back to the no posting links on here ……. Now I actually have to download pictures of biddies to submit/.

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      lol u on that flye bx

      swag?

    • jtru001

      lmao….i know right…

  • KnicksTape

    pack yo bags the site is ready son

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      u lyin

      • KnicksTape

        poet why would I lie

  • KnicksTape

    .

    • jtru001

      yo its up???

      • KnicksTape

        yeah son we moving lets go

  • jtru001

    yo tape says i need a password….to authenticate

    • KnicksTape

      .

  • KnicksTape

    yall go to site cause Im deleting my post cause I dont other bums to go there

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      nah

    • jtru001

      first post on there lmaoo

    • jtru001

      fuck it leave it up and when they come we just boot them lmao

  • KnicksTape

    JT what you think?

  • jtru001

    yo tape who the mods on there?

  • GottaKeepItReal

    damn the sites blockd at ma workplace

    • jtru001

      damn for real??? and i can get on wtf

    • KnicksTape

      did it ask for pass?

      • GottaKeepItReal

        THIS WEBSITE MAY CREATE A SECURITY RISK: knicksfam.squarespace. com
        You are attempting to access a website that has not been confirmed as safe. In the near future, this website will be blocked and you will no longer have the option to proceed…

        • Knicks_11ThePoet

          click

          proceed

        • KnicksTape

          proceed it wont harm its safe man

  • Knicks_11ThePoet

    tape u getting money

    for this?

    • KnicksTape

      nah but I need to get some ads or something tho. Cause im gonna hve to pay $10 per month after free trial.. nyls said he knew someone who can help me out

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        yea gettin ads is a problem

        • KnicksTape

          go over there b

    • jtru001

      go to the sit b its fresh.

  • largehrdsports

    This is a protected area please enter your password to continue

    • KnicksTape

      ..

      • largehrdsports

        Nice!

      • Gate-7-

        You should delete this comment every 2 min after posting lol

        • KnicksTape

          yeah

        • jtru001

          nah fuck that we control who gets on lol so we can boot them off lmao

  • jtru001

    yo gotta did it ask for password of just blocked completely?

    • jtru001

      tape said he gonna figure it out

      • GottaKeepItReal

        I can proceed, but im mad nervous lol, dunt want my manager/or someone to expose me…I got past the pw

  • KnicksTape

    gotta I got you bro the site on trial once i buy domain it become regular site…until then just hold up

    • GottaKeepItReal

      werd werd

    • GottaKeepItReal

      I may jus click proceed lol and jus hope no one asks: Do you wish to proceed?

      NO (Bank of America recommends this option, which will automatically close your web browser.)

      YES (You confirm you will use this website for business purpose and understand the risk of introducing malware or
      viruses.)

      • Knicks_11ThePoet

        damn. i suggest not to do that

        man. that sounds offical and shyeet

        • GottaKeepItReal

          ye its intimidating lol

      • jtru001

        just hit proceed and see what happens lol

      • Gate-7-

        BoA got you on the watch….. Honestly the unless tape is messing with us and putting viruses and ish… its harmless.

        But then again you know how businesses be monitoring employees…… you dont wanna be THAT dude

        • GottaKeepItReal

          lol true specially as one of the younger heads here

          • Gate-7-

            What you do at BoA…corporate accounting or some ish”?

          • GottaKeepItReal

            ima business anaylst for Merryl Lynch, BoA owns the company tho

      • KnicksTape

        it has no viruses lol its hosted from a trusted site….i think its just a scare thing nothing to worry

  • Back The Money Truck up….

    Tape,why can’t I Google it and go in that way??

    • jtru001

      you got the link right?

      • Back The Money Truck up….

        Nah….

    • Gate-7-

      get rid of the space after the . com

    • KnicksTape

      you have the link? or do you need it?

    • KnicksTape

      knicksfam.squarespace .com

      pass is tape

  • KnicksTape

    money truck you got in?

  • Knickels n Dimes

    goodbye knickswall, and go fuck urself Jonah. How da fuck u listen to Drake anyway….

    • jtru001

      lmao down arrow.

      • Knickels n Dimes

        probably some faggot

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Wait we moving

    • Knicks_11ThePoet

      ye. on tapes website.

      • Long.Live.A$AP

        Idk it

        • Knickels n Dimes

          loook below ni99a, damn

    • KnicksTape

      • Long.Live.A$AP

        Ight

    • KnicksTape

      asap im deleteing link so let me know when you in

      • Long.Live.A$AP

        I got it

      • Knickels n Dimes

        but then everybody else wont know

      • jtru001

        yo just leave it up lol…if we dont like em ban em ….at least let everyone to get a shot…in case we get new recurits

  • Back The Money Truck up….

    Can’t get in….SMH I’ll see u dudes once I can.Lol

    • jtru001

      yo password is tape…

    • Gate-7-

      Damn son take the link remove the spaces…. type the password… cant be that hard

  • Long.Live.A$AP

    Fuck you Jonah and knicks wall this what happens when u break promises bitch

  • KnicksTape

    lmao money you have to remove space

    • Back The Money Truck up….

      I did!!!! Lol….I can’t copy the link on this phone and typed it out through a web search and nothing shows up….

      • KnicksTape

        click on my profile and click on a post..youll be taken there instantly then type pass

      • KnicksTape

        its not there on google you have to type on the address bar

        • Gate-7-

          lol look up top

  • jtru001

    he still here?

  • KnicksTape

    money if you on phone it should be working fine….it has full mobile version too.

    does it show you a pic of lock and says enter pass?

    type tape

  • Gate-7-

    Think I got blocked

    • KnicksTape

      lmao

  • KnicksTape

    money truck the site wont show up in google search you have to actually type in full in address bar on top

  • Back The Money Truck up….

    I’m in….Delete before Danny comes!!!!Lol

  • Ericknicks

    na let everybody come

  • Yougotshumped

    Where everyone goin?

    • KnicksTape

      ….

      • Yougotshumped

        ok im in take off

  • Boberto

    where every1 go?

  • stevie

    wow

  • stevie

    man

  • stevie

    the knicks

  • stevie

    what

  • stevie

    are you

  • stevie

    doing

  • stevie

    right now

  • stevie

    i mean man

  • stevie

    why are

  • stevie

    you playing like this

  • stevie

    you are playing

  • stevie

    like garbage

  • stevie

    at least other teams have loterry picks

  • stevie

    we dont

  • stevie

    yet we continue

  • stevie

    to play

  • stevie

    like garbage

  • stevie

    jr sucks

  • stevie

    woody sucks

  • stevie

    felton injured

  • stevie

    tyson injured

  • stevie

    shumpert is gone

  • stevie

    melo got no help

  • stevie

    is this how

  • stevie

    a team from ny

  • stevie

    plays

  • stevie

    i mean wow

  • stevie

    both ny teams are horrible

  • stevie

    that is disgusting

  • stevie

    how can they do that

  • stevie

    fire woodson

  • stevie

    fire mike

  • stevie

    woodson

  • stevie

    woodson needs

  • stevie

    to get fired

  • stevie

    enough of this bull shit mike woodson

  • stevie

    mike woodson has to go

  • stevie

    get melo help

  • stevie

    hes a one man show out there

  • stevie

    how can you ask him to stay with this garbage

  • stevie

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